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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by temporarely »

runjake wrote: post #35
massinstall wrote: post #31

From the publication: “The speculation that the hand gesture herein presented is a freemasonry’s conveyed code is fascinating, but it is hard to accept.” This sentence concluded a very short paragraph that apparently aimed to explore whether the hand sign could have a Masonic meaning. But instead of giving any explanation for their conclusion, the authors merely postulate the above without any given reasoning. I’m su…

32° Freemason here. The images and descriptions do not match any masonic hand positions I am aware of. However, there were numerous other fraternities and secret societies during that era, although they were typically gender-specific. Seeing both men and women using the same hand signals suggests these were likely common societal practices of the time. And since, presumably the hand positions are secret, they're not…

Sorry to break the news to you Jake but there are two orders. Those of "that era" are the actual power breakers, you guys are the peculiar but innocent window dressing.

> And since, ..

No, the meaning is the secret :) Oh dear.

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Post by DonHopkins »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #75
DonHopkins wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%... Popehat's Law of Goats He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker. "He claimed he was just pretending to be racist to trigger the social justice warriors, but even if he is telling the truth, Popehat's Law of Goats still applies."

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Fucking goats perpetuates goat fucking, and annoys goats, but it doesn't mean you have to hate the goat and attack it after you fuck it to qualify for being a goat fucker. Either way, love it or hate it, you fucked a goat.

Likewise, trolling racist memes perpetuates racism, and if you perpetuate racism, you're a racist, because of the effects of you behavior on other people, regardless of your purported intent, even if you claim to be only pretending. Either way, you perpetuated racism, which hurts people.

Bravely standing up for goat fuckers and racists and trolls doesn't look good on you. Try standing up for the victims of racism instead of the perpetrators. Your edgelord act is extremely tired and juvenile. Gamegate is over, kiddo. Steve Bannon is reporting to jail on July 1.

How the far right borrowed its online moves from gamers:

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/20/gamergate-right-online-hara...

>In particular, Donovan notes that Steve Bannon saw firsthand the power of Gamergate while running Breitbart News.

>Bannon took notes from the gaming controversy as well as from movements on the left, like Occupy, to develop strategies to apply in mainstream politics in Trump's 2016 campaign and from the White House.

>That expanded the use of online attack methods on a wider range of issues and, more recently, made them a significant part of mainstream right-wing politics.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon need angry young men. They’re using Gamergate culture to get them:

https://qz.com/901761/donald-trump-and-steve-bannon-are-usin...

>Gamergate is a loose collection of disaffected (mostly) men who have used the issue of ethics in gaming journalism as a pretext to harass and attack women and many minority groups. The movement got its start in 2014 when a young man wanted to exact revenge on his ex-girlfriend. What started as a simple blog post became a campaign of harassment spearheaded by anonymous users on platforms like Reddit and 4chan. Gamergate has since used Twitter and other social-media platforms to lob misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-Semitic attacks on its critics.

What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right':

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate...

>The 2014 online hate-storm presaged the tactics of the Trump-loving far right movement. Prominent critics of the president elect should take note. The similarities between Gamergate and the current so called ‘alt-right’ movement are huge, startling, and in no way a coincidence.

Steve Bannon learned to harness troll army from 'World of Warcraft':

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/st...

>Before Steve Bannon oversaw the conservative Breitbart News Network and, subsequently, joined then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign, the chief political strategist became a player in Hollywood and ... World of Warcraft.

>"You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump." -Steve Bannon

Steve Bannon ordered to report to prison by July 1 to serve contempt of Congress sentence:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/steve-bannon-jai...

>A federal judge on Thursday ordered Steve Bannon to report to prison by July 1, giving the former Donald Trump adviser a short window to get a higher court’s intervention.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DonHopkins »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #71
llamaimperative wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way…

"Not many people who arent white supremecists are comfortable being labeled as one" Wrong. Thats everyone that uses the hand sign. The joke is that cnn watched dipshits think its some kinda of white supremecist signal, so its funny to do to get under peoples skin. Thats literally all there is to it. Has nothing to do with any white power movement. Do you know where its current popularity came from? A childrens game c…

The harder you desperately argue by throwing every ridiculous and contradictory theory against the wall like bottles of ketchup at Mar-a-Lago, the more Popehat's Law of Goats applies to you.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DonHopkins »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #73
deprecative wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? Words and phrases are often adopted by a group to mean things they didn't. The ok hand gesture was a joke then it was embraced by Nazis and here we are. But you knew that.

No, I dont know that, because it is false. The hand symbol is a running joke about looking at someone elses testicles. The peoppe that play this game are rowdy adolescent boys. Those boys went online and made ironic racist jokes, as young boys do, and now somehow people think its a symbol of white power. Anyone who knows whats going on is laughing at your foolishness.

So let me get this right: you're only PRETENDING to be wrong and stupid, so you can laugh at us for thinking you're wrong and stupid. Wow, you totally owned us by acting just like a teenage boy! I get it, now that you've admitted that you're just playing a trolling game, and don't actually believe anything you're saying, just like those teenage boys whose behavior you're defending and emulating. So there's no point in continuing making those arguments you don't even believe yourself.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by mordymoop »

mbivert wrote: post #34

> unnatural hand position Is it really unnatural? Interestingly, as a right-handed, the two middle fingers of my right hand tend to effortlessly group together; this feels noticeably less true on my left hand, but still observable if I try to relax it. The peculiar "mission tile" (half-cylindrical) flexibility of the palm region, encouraged by writing for example, may foster this grouping. It's a bit surprising for t…

If I absently place my hand on my chest, the resulting configuration looks just like the “unnatural” one in the painting.

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Post by ricardobeat »

mbivert wrote: post #34

> unnatural hand position Is it really unnatural? Interestingly, as a right-handed, the two middle fingers of my right hand tend to effortlessly group together; this feels noticeably less true on my left hand, but still observable if I try to relax it. The peculiar "mission tile" (half-cylindrical) flexibility of the palm region, encouraged by writing for example, may foster this grouping. It's a bit surprising for t…

As an exercise, pretend you’re a 16th century lord, or just a very theatrical person, and raise your arm with a drooping hand, then gently touch your chest with your fingers splayed and wrist at an angle. Your two fingers in the middle naturally touch first, and stay together once you lay down the whole hand, exactly like in the portraits. It’s not a straining position.

I’m also surprised the paper (?) doesn’t go into simple behavioural explanations for this.

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Post by anigbrowl »

massinstall wrote: post #31

From the publication: “The speculation that the hand gesture herein presented is a freemasonry’s conveyed code is fascinating, but it is hard to accept.” This sentence concluded a very short paragraph that apparently aimed to explore whether the hand sign could have a Masonic meaning. But instead of giving any explanation for their conclusion, the authors merely postulate the above without any given reasoning. I’m su…

I noticed that too. Eventually they drew the conclusion that people just copied each other to look cool. I have no idea whether there's more to the 'hidden meanings' conjectures or not, but if you're going to dig into a topic, dig in properly. Waste of reading time in my view.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by fortran77 »

antognini wrote: post #69

Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ. A few examples: https://i2.wp.com/catholicism.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/fil... https://jimmyakin.com/w…

> Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ.

At Disney employee training they taught me to point with index and middle finger (or my whole hand) too.

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