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85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Can anyone explain to me how this works in practice? Eg if i now buy meat or cheese or pre-cut vegetables or bread at the supermarket, it’s in plastic packaging. What do legislators propose we replace that by? I understand (and use) reusable shopping bags but keeping sliced ham fresh sounds less practical. For clarity, I’m not skeptical, I’m all for the strictest plastic ban that’s remotely practical. But I don’t get…

Which ever is more profitable.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #35

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People are already in power to ban single-use plastic, they can buy stuff that is more expensive or less convenient to get. This gives a signal to the market that if a lot of people does it, they should move in that direction to meet the demand. However, this is not what it's happening, and that's because people appreciate that something is cheaper thanks to single-use plastic of because they are not so interested in…

People bought lead paint and asbestos in droves too before those were banned. Just because something is cheap and accessible doesn't mean people understand how it impacts their lives. With studies coming out routinely showing the dramatic damage microplastics are causing to our environment and even inside our own bodies, it's only a matter of time before we come to our senses and stop it.

those studies mostly show the dramatic presence of microplastics rather than dramatic damage, which is still mostly speculative. most of the microplastics inside our own bodies come from washing synthetic clothes rather than from single-use plastics

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #32

How do they choose people for these surveys? And can 24k people from 32 countries (so, 750 in each) be representative of 8 billion in 200+ countries? I know only a minority locally who could support a plastics ban, due to low awareness. Certainly a guesstimate in other countries I can think of who are likely responsible for high plastics pollution, would be far lower than 8 or 9 out of every 10 people, as it's a cont…

> can 24k people from 32 countries (so, 750 in each) be representative of 8 billion in 200+ countries?

Yes, assuming they are sampled randomly. If they aren't, a bigger sample size won't help anyways: https://sample-size.net/confidence-interval-proportion/

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #33

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You are throwing away durable, reusable, functioning products after one use? .. Why?

The only situation where OP isn’t an idiot is food delivery. If you get your groceries delivered, I don’t think there is a formal feed back mechanism. (Though your grocery store would almost certainly accept them back.)

It's an inconvenience to actually reuse the bag that is inevitably covered in rancid meat juice. Calling people idiots isn't constructive, and besides, one may not be an idiot for simply not caring about burying a few plastic bags in the landfill. It's just different judgements about what's important.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#105

Just because people say that doesn't mean they'll actually want it in practice. As well, asking people how important they think something is may not equate to their support for sweeping legislation.

My city banned bags once and had to immediately figure out how to unban bags because it caused outrage. They talked about it for 2 years and people supported it. Until the day it took effect that is.

My city talked about banning "Single Use Items" from drive thrus and such, but what they failed to communicate was this also meant "Paper Bags" like what McDonalds would hand you out the window.

It was _that_ part which sparked outrage. The overly-simplistic definition of "Single Use" items included items which are _actually_ recyclable like paper (or compostable if covered in food-stuff).

They undid the ban "for re-evaluation"

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #26

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Local restaurants here have started using DeliveryZero which is a reusable container program, you just take the containers back to a drop point. That and plenty of places use non-PFAS-treated thicker paperboard. Those are also great in my experience.

> you just take the containers back to a drop point. If someone drives to drop off the container they have uses way more resources than they would just using a disposable. I suspect this idea is just greenwashing. > thicker paperboard Which again uses more resources, and emits more CO2, than plastic.

You're assuming I'm driving it back to the drop point as a dedicated trip. A: I typically keep the containers until I order next time, you have a month to drop them off. So just drop them off when you're picking up your food. B: The drop off point is a short walk away, so you could just, you know, walk.

I'm not worried about resources or emissions here, I'm more concerned about trash in the rivers/oceans, and microplastics. There are more metrics to account for than you are allowing for.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#107
When I was in New Zealand, they had a single standard reusable metal cup for all their coffee shops. That is, you can pay to refill the cup, and if the cup is dirty, any coffee shop will exchange it with a clean one for free. Consumers pay a small deposit for the cup, and can get the deposit back by returning it.

Unfortunately, common-sense solutions like this one require tremendous political coordination to even get started. In most countries, environmentalism is far less creative - levy new taxes to change consumer behavior (e.g. single-use bags), or ban something entirely without consideration toward the alternatives (e.g. paper vs plastic straws).

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#108
post #40

Is there a good substitute for cling wrap? I mostly store food in reusable containers. And I try to use foil as much as possible. But some things are irregularly shaped and need a tight seal, and I’ve struggled to find a good alternative.

You use foil instead of cling wrap? And you do this for environmental reasons? I'm struggling to understand here, why in the world would you do that? Foil consumes thousands of times more resources than plastic wrap.

Also, most foils are coated on at least one side with a petroleum-based wax anyway.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #42

I'll admit I was a little skeptical of plastic bag bans here in Canada, but it's had a noticeable effect on how much random garbage ends up stuck in hedges and fences where I live. Adapting to it wasn't too bad and good reusable bags are a lot more ergonomic and don't tear as easily when carrying heavy loads.

I fully agree, however if you're the kind of person who orders groceries, then what ends up happening is that you start collecting reusable bags that you have no way of reusing. I hope that someone starts some kind of "reusable bag recycling" system so I can give the scores of bags I have to a good home

What’s wrong with paper?

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #42

I'll admit I was a little skeptical of plastic bag bans here in Canada, but it's had a noticeable effect on how much random garbage ends up stuck in hedges and fences where I live. Adapting to it wasn't too bad and good reusable bags are a lot more ergonomic and don't tear as easily when carrying heavy loads.

I fully agree, however if you're the kind of person who orders groceries, then what ends up happening is that you start collecting reusable bags that you have no way of reusing. I hope that someone starts some kind of "reusable bag recycling" system so I can give the scores of bags I have to a good home

> you start collecting reusable bags that you have no way of reusing

I use them as trash bags for the various small trashcans in the home (office, bathroom, etc). Works great.

Also fantastic for any trash (like fish) you have that you don't want stinking up the big trash can for several days and needs to be taken out asap.

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