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The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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That's more than double what the average company pays a senior dev in Denmark.

The big difference is the stock component, which Danish companies usually does not offer. But DKK 1.000.000 a year is not far off senior roles. (However, a lot of roles are also much lower).

Sorry but where are you finding these jobs outside of MAANG?

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Is there more homogeneity in their values instead of saying culture?

But the word "culture" is what was used. Not the word "values". There can be a discussion about whether or not "values" would be a better term. I think that's fair. But switching to a discussion based on values moves the goal posts a bit and we should acknowledge that fact.

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Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Denmark has about the harshest asylum law west of the Oder. Practically zero pull factors, and the total immigration stats reflect that. If Germany copied the relevant Danish law (and the copy survived a subsequent challenge at the Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe), the European migration crisis would be mostly over.

May I ask why you bother to specify the geographical location of the Constitutional Court? I assume you guys don't have several of those. I mean, in general for other countries people just say "constitutional court" and that is it, and it seems to make sense that way. I am curious.

Yes, I can explain that.

I am not a German, but I read German news and German journalists use "in Karlsruhe" as a shortcut for the Constitutional Court. So, in my original post, I just wrote "a challenge in Karlsruhe".

Before posting, I reviewed my comment and said to myself, hmm, people won't know what "in Karlsruhe" means, so I added the name of the Constitutional Court, but didn't think of removing the location.

I suspect a similar process resulted in some fluff in our beloved RFCs :)

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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The big difference is the stock component, which Danish companies usually does not offer. But DKK 1.000.000 a year is not far off senior roles. (However, a lot of roles are also much lower).

Sorry but where are you finding these jobs outside of MAANG?

scale-ups, some well funded startups, big companies for some roles if you add up bonus, pension, other benefits.

Not too many options tbh, and you need a bit of luck, but there are some. It's hard to figure out from the job description so you usually need to do a bit of digging.

To keep in mind as well is that in Denmark the vast majority of jobs are not advertised. I know it happens everywhere but I never experienced anything that comes even close in other countries.

What used to be fairly popular is "consulting" at 2x+ salary. Almost zero risk due to high demand, this has changed somewhat.

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Dane here: Left Denmark (DK) though. It is true that social security in DK is world best. And salaries are high compared to EU standards. Also that leaving babys on the street is probably safe. However the article seems to paint a rather rosy picture. DK has a dark side that no one talks about like "Jante Law", extremely feminine values (good if you like that - very bad if you dont), exclusive culture, very bad climate! Great place to work and have kids - if you stay inside and "play along".

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There's a general obsession on GDP and salary numbers that is a bit myopic. Let's say in country A people drop their kids by car at school, while country B the kids go by themselves at school by foot. All other things being equal, the higher expenses on gas and cars will show up as higher GDP for country A, which will in turn be considered 'wealthier'. But is it really ? Likewise for salaries, the higher number hides…

Oh totally. Coming from the States, where our costs included two cars, healthcare out of pocket expenses, daycare, etc and coming to DK where, yes, taxes are high, but we have zero cars, zero healthcare costs, etc.

if you consider tax of 45% "zero cost" yes...

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Dane here: Left Denmark (DK) though. It is true that social security in DK is world best. And salaries are high compared to EU standards. Also that leaving babys on the street is probably safe. However the article seems to paint a rather rosy picture. DK has a dark side that no one talks about like "Jante Law", extremely feminine values (good if you like that - very bad if you dont), exclusive culture, very bad clima…

There's a very weird dynamic between Jante Law and Danish Exceptionalism. The fact that Denmark is at the bottom of the list for expats should give some perspective.

It's a good country to live in, but I think a lot of these positive articles online about hygge, happines, copenhagen, benefits, trust; really avoid talking about the bad sides and how soul crushing it can be.

https://www.internations.org/expat-insider/2023/nordic-count...

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Oh totally. Coming from the States, where our costs included two cars, healthcare out of pocket expenses, daycare, etc and coming to DK where, yes, taxes are high, but we have zero cars, zero healthcare costs, etc.

if you consider tax of 45% "zero cost" yes...

My effective rate of taxation is close to 40-50% here in India. I doubt I get one tenth the benefit. Rampant corruption, abysmal infrastructure, no rule of law...I could go on.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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There's a general obsession on GDP and salary numbers that is a bit myopic. Let's say in country A people drop their kids by car at school, while country B the kids go by themselves at school by foot. All other things being equal, the higher expenses on gas and cars will show up as higher GDP for country A, which will in turn be considered 'wealthier'. But is it really ? Likewise for salaries, the higher number hides…

Oh totally. Coming from the States, where our costs included two cars, healthcare out of pocket expenses, daycare, etc and coming to DK where, yes, taxes are high, but we have zero cars, zero healthcare costs, etc.

One of the owners of my company moved to France for a few years. Which was important because if he stayed in the US he would have had to get an outside job instead of working for the company. That would have been bad.

It was all because child expenses and healthcare.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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But the word "culture" is what was used. Not the word "values". There can be a discussion about whether or not "values" would be a better term. I think that's fair. But switching to a discussion based on values moves the goal posts a bit and we should acknowledge that fact.

I consider them both to be fairly interchangeable in this context, it's obvious that crime isn't linked to whether someone prefers croissants or bratwurst.

So by "homogeneous" you don't really mean homogeneous, you mean upstanding people who don't commit a lot of crime or problems?

Eastern Europe is much more homogeneous than western Europe, there is also more crime and problems there, so I don't see a strong link between the two at all.

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