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Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

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Post by joshstrange »

flohofwoe wrote: post #96
soraminazuki wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. There are clear explanations in the release notes and the wiki entry linked from the relevant place in the preference pane [1]. The full release note is displayed before updating. There are numerous comments here explaining how it's impossible to accidentally enable the feature. It's opt-in, you have to input a paid API key, you can use a offline model instead, and the data it sends are totally customizable…

I haven't seen any of that pressing the update button on the updater dialog box that automatically pops up (as I usually do, since typically iTerm2 updates don't have such sneaky surprises). Only after the update there was a little slideshow where the AI stuff was hidden somewhere on the 3rd or 4th slide.

Sneaky? Hidden?

It is _opt in_ and it’s not the main feature of this release. If it was the first slide you people would be complaining about that too. Maybe it’s best you just uninstall iTerm2 and use the default terminal if you can’t be sure you won’t trip one day, accidentally open the preferences, and enter in an OpenAI key by accident. Don’t forget to get a refund, oh wait…

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#102

Post by ErneX »

joshstrange wrote: post #75

The comments in this thread are depressing, I expected much better from HN. The AI features are but 1 minor aspect of this release, they are optional, you can change the URL to point to a local LLM, yet people are pretending like all your data is going to be sent to OpenAI if you update. I’m not sure if people are being intentionally daft or are just not reading anything past the word “AI” (which, again, isn’t even l…

Agree, people are complaining about a new OPTIONAL feature on a open source project?

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#103

Post by oneeyedpigeon »

soraminazuki wrote: post #93
joshstrange wrote: post #75

The comments in this thread are depressing, I expected much better from HN. The AI features are but 1 minor aspect of this release, they are optional, you can change the URL to point to a local LLM, yet people are pretending like all your data is going to be sent to OpenAI if you update. I’m not sure if people are being intentionally daft or are just not reading anything past the word “AI” (which, again, isn’t even l…

Totally. There are clear explanations in the release notes and the wiki entry linked from the relevant place in the preference pane [1]. The full release note is displayed before updating. There are numerous comments here explaining how it's impossible to accidentally enable the feature. It's opt-in, you have to input a paid API key, you can use a offline model instead, and the data it sends are totally customizable…

These aren't mutually exclusive—it's perfectly possible to be fully aware that this version of iTerm introduces optional AI and be concerned about it. Dismissing these concerns as people "ignoring [the optional aspect] and writing all sorts of misinformation" is disingenuous and unfair.

The most obvious concern is that it becomes non-optional in future, but there are plenty of related concerns ranging all the way up to the general principle of the use of AI technology.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#104

Post by joshka »

oakesm9 wrote: post #98
thiht wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They use OpenAI's API with the possibility to set a custom URL, so... done. This makes iTerm compatible with any LLM as long as they implement the same API. OpenAI's API is the de facto standard for now, it's not up to iTerm to define a standard.

It doesn't look like there's the ability to change the URL. The only options are to change the API key, model name (from a predefined list), the prompt, and the token limit.

search ai in the settings. It's in advanced settings.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#105

Post by MissTake »

flohofwoe wrote: post #83
MissTake wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it’s not enabled by default? One has to not only enable it but also provide an API key first. I’m failing to see how “off by default” is a worse option here…

I haven't found a checkbox or anything similar to clearly enable/disable the feature. There's an empty API key text field and a prepopulated OpenAI URL. It's not clear at all that an empty API key means that no requests will be made.

Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent?

If you distrust iTerm 2 over this then why would you assume a checkbox would make a difference?

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#106

Post by sys_64738 »

joshstrange wrote: post #75

The comments in this thread are depressing, I expected much better from HN. The AI features are but 1 minor aspect of this release, they are optional, you can change the URL to point to a local LLM, yet people are pretending like all your data is going to be sent to OpenAI if you update. I’m not sure if people are being intentionally daft or are just not reading anything past the word “AI” (which, again, isn’t even l…

It's like the Facebook integration and Twitter integration that Apple did to Mac OS X Lion. It's basically "don't do that".

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#107

Post by soraminazuki »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #103
soraminazuki wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. There are clear explanations in the release notes and the wiki entry linked from the relevant place in the preference pane [1]. The full release note is displayed before updating. There are numerous comments here explaining how it's impossible to accidentally enable the feature. It's opt-in, you have to input a paid API key, you can use a offline model instead, and the data it sends are totally customizable…

These aren't mutually exclusive—it's perfectly possible to be fully aware that this version of iTerm introduces optional AI and be concerned about it. Dismissing these concerns as people "ignoring [the optional aspect] and writing all sorts of misinformation" is disingenuous and unfair. The most obvious concern is that it becomes non-optional in future, but there are plenty of related concerns ranging all the way up…

Have you used iTerm2? Saw the amount of work that's put into it? Checked how long it has been cared for, maintained, and continuously improved on by basically one person for more than a decade? All for free and no ads? The iTerm2 developer is a person you can actually trust.

https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/graphs/contributors

But all of a sudden you now have people up in arms about how a spyware of a feature was sneakily forced upon them, and be righteous about it. This is sad.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#108

Post by AnonymousPlanet »

ogotai wrote: post #84
joshstrange wrote: post #75

The comments in this thread are depressing, I expected much better from HN. The AI features are but 1 minor aspect of this release, they are optional, you can change the URL to point to a local LLM, yet people are pretending like all your data is going to be sent to OpenAI if you update. I’m not sure if people are being intentionally daft or are just not reading anything past the word “AI” (which, again, isn’t even l…

Depends on the vantage point. Have you worked in any regulated industries? I can see iTerm joining internal software ban lists because of its AI integration (even if it's off by default). Security departments of these corps are constantly pleading with their staff to "please stop sharing corp data with LLMs, you're not allowed to do that", all the while staff feel under pressure to deliver faster, and reaching for wh…

Following that logic, regulated industries would be going after anything resembling Microsoft Office with a flamethrower. It would be product suicide for any piece of software, like e.g. Microsoft Office or Microsoft Windows, to offer even optional AI capabilities.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#109

Post by drcongo »

earthnail wrote: post #14

iTerm is such an amazing piece of software. It's one of the first things I install. Glad the settings dialog had a "donate" button tucked into the corner; did that straight away. The value for money is absurd.

I have a standing $1 per month donation for iTerm. It's not much, but if enough people did the same it could be a nice living for George.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#110

Post by noname120 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #56
dakiol wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay with iterm It has been a while since the last release… I don’t mind staying outdated for some more time. Also, I’m not sure if the openai thingy is mandatory.

Then be careful that you're not accidentally clicking the Update button on the updater popup. There was no upfront warning about the AI integration there.

That's not true. In the infobox that opens before you click the update button the AI feature is explicitly mentioned in the summary of changes and with more details further down.
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