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Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

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Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

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I don't think the bar for appearing on the front page of HN is "important news" This is mildly interesting, and maybe important for a few people. That's enough.

It's apparently lower than "I made a raycaster in 256 bytes" and higher than "I got banned from Stack Exchange for not supporting Israel". I can't really tell where the bar is.

HN post rank != importance or interest, rather something more akin to "discussion quality + recency". A highly polarizing post with lots of comments vs votes or lots of flags will tend to rank lower than a neutral post with mild votes and mild discussion via the algorithm. A lot of that depends on the presentation, if the post presents something more controversial it still tends to float to the top as long as it is thoughtful instead of inciteful.

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#102
post #49

What would be the reason for them to boost this fee right now? Is it just a pure profit play? That is, they think they can extract more cash from the people who are reliable instant-payout users (rather than losing them to standard payouts)? Does this portend anything for the company, in the way that not backfilling positions means that layoffs may be imminent? Or perhaps a corporate transaction like an IPO?

For any payment processor part of the fees you pay go to offsetting fraud (it is a cost just like servers or people). Instant payout is much riskier because if a bad actor is using Stripe to cash out stolen credit cards they have less time for the banks to detect and report it before the money is gone. As a result it has a higher cost to the company.

Is this really a more plausible explanation than using convenience and urgency as a profit center?

Services like Venmo and Cash App basically have no income stream without paid instant payouts.

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#103
post #32

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Sounds like a blockchain startup in the making!

How would blockchain accelerate ACH transfers (or make wire transfers cheaper, or convince banks to support FedNow)?

Caching, reputation and promises make the world go 'round.

Exhibit A) SWIFT famously states it doesn't actually move money.

Exhibit B) Hawallah

ie. It's good enough to promise to deliver in due course most of the time. That's equivalent to a transfer, most of the time. The evidence is that it is the basis of many existing settlement networks (SWIFT/hawallah), but also the stock market / individual broker ledger system, the dominant off-chain transfer model of many exchanges for digital assets, crime ("you have X days to deliver Y or Z happens"), etc.

Where it's not good enough, you attempt to store enough to cover eventualities with forward prediction to maintain settlement volumes, offset with promises, utilise third party risk mitigators (insurance/liquidity providers) and/or leverage reputation.

Speaking hypothetically, because the original comment was made predominantly in jest, but in the knowledge that it was actually potentially applicable enough to yield startups, let me humor you. Specifically, in my mind where blockchain might add value is if you wanted to obtain local liquidity at short notice. I understand micro-lending markets are now well developed on Ethereum, but haven't bothered to dig in to the implementation myself. The point is, it would be theoretically possible to build such a system to translate real world promises to on-chain contracts and thus have the ongoing support of globally distributed capital behind providing stability to local micro imbalances of liquidity as a service. This is an existing business model seen in many aspects of the financial system.

Start looking at the world this way, and notice similarities between capitalism, crime, crypto, cold steel and cojones. It's all the same game. Physical or digital, settled or promised, it's about risk and reward, reputation, and "the availability of effective recourse" (ie. trust). The same band-aids are used everywhere.

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#104

Stripe will nickel and dime you to death. The last time I created an invoice manually it tried to upsell me on a far more expensive plan just so I can group things on an invoice. Even worse, adding a recurring product to a quote results in an upsell. It’s honestly embarrassing. Feature-gating things with 0 marginal cost feels desperate.

Their payment links take on the form of buy.stripe.com/ but they added the ability to use your custom domain for $10/mo ... Why isn't this baked-in?

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a blockchain startup in the making!

Where you'll pay fees on the chain, fees at the exchange trading for fiat, and then fees sending the fiat back to your bank so you can actually make payroll with money normal people actually use.

You would presumably use a faster and cheaper off-chain method of settlement (such as bank or exchange-local settlement) using on-chain contracts with near real time periodically executed and publicly auditable settlement of the derivative CDOs. See other response.

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#106

A more honest title to me: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees from 1% to 1.5% on US Current title: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

The title should be what the article says. We are not to editorialize or rewrite titles.

> June 2024 pricing update for Instant Payouts for businesses in the United States

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#107
post #47
post #28

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Ask your Uber driver on a Thursday! I've met drivers who have had to pay out multiple times per day.

Uber can easily just have 2 days of revenue ready in cash (or even a loan will be much cheaper than 1.5%) to not pay 1.5% every time.

You may be missing vital info, here: Uber isn't paying the surcharge — it's the driver!

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#108
post #98

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Percent increases are kind of a weird metric in a lot of cases. This is one of them. It's not particularly informative.

If you are a stripe user, it tells you exactly by how much you can expect your fees to increase =)

You'd also get that information by showing start and end values.

Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%

#109
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are a stripe user, it tells you exactly by how much you can expect your fees to increase =)

You'd also get that information by showing start and end values.

The goal of a headline is not to tell you everything that you want to know, it's to make you click it.
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