Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the bar for appearing on the front page of HN is "important news" This is mildly interesting, and maybe important for a few people. That's enough.
It's apparently lower than "I made a raycaster in 256 bytes" and higher than "I got banned from Stack Exchange for not supporting Israel". I can't really tell where the bar is.
Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
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Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#102What would be the reason for them to boost this fee right now? Is it just a pure profit play? That is, they think they can extract more cash from the people who are reliable instant-payout users (rather than losing them to standard payouts)? Does this portend anything for the company, in the way that not backfilling positions means that layoffs may be imminent? Or perhaps a corporate transaction like an IPO?
For any payment processor part of the fees you pay go to offsetting fraud (it is a cost just like servers or people). Instant payout is much riskier because if a bad actor is using Stripe to cash out stolen credit cards they have less time for the banks to detect and report it before the money is gone. As a result it has a higher cost to the company.
Services like Venmo and Cash App basically have no income stream without paid instant payouts.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a blockchain startup in the making!
How would blockchain accelerate ACH transfers (or make wire transfers cheaper, or convince banks to support FedNow)?
Exhibit A) SWIFT famously states it doesn't actually move money.
Exhibit B) Hawallah
ie. It's good enough to promise to deliver in due course most of the time. That's equivalent to a transfer, most of the time. The evidence is that it is the basis of many existing settlement networks (SWIFT/hawallah), but also the stock market / individual broker ledger system, the dominant off-chain transfer model of many exchanges for digital assets, crime ("you have X days to deliver Y or Z happens"), etc.
Where it's not good enough, you attempt to store enough to cover eventualities with forward prediction to maintain settlement volumes, offset with promises, utilise third party risk mitigators (insurance/liquidity providers) and/or leverage reputation.
Speaking hypothetically, because the original comment was made predominantly in jest, but in the knowledge that it was actually potentially applicable enough to yield startups, let me humor you. Specifically, in my mind where blockchain might add value is if you wanted to obtain local liquidity at short notice. I understand micro-lending markets are now well developed on Ethereum, but haven't bothered to dig in to the implementation myself. The point is, it would be theoretically possible to build such a system to translate real world promises to on-chain contracts and thus have the ongoing support of globally distributed capital behind providing stability to local micro imbalances of liquidity as a service. This is an existing business model seen in many aspects of the financial system.
Start looking at the world this way, and notice similarities between capitalism, crime, crypto, cold steel and cojones. It's all the same game. Physical or digital, settled or promised, it's about risk and reward, reputation, and "the availability of effective recourse" (ie. trust). The same band-aids are used everywhere.
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#104Stripe will nickel and dime you to death. The last time I created an invoice manually it tried to upsell me on a far more expensive plan just so I can group things on an invoice. Even worse, adding a recurring product to a quote results in an upsell. It’s honestly embarrassing. Feature-gating things with 0 marginal cost feels desperate.
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a blockchain startup in the making!
Where you'll pay fees on the chain, fees at the exchange trading for fiat, and then fees sending the fiat back to your bank so you can actually make payroll with money normal people actually use.
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#106A more honest title to me: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees from 1% to 1.5% on US Current title: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
> June 2024 pricing update for Instant Payouts for businesses in the United States
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ask your Uber driver on a Thursday! I've met drivers who have had to pay out multiple times per day.
Uber can easily just have 2 days of revenue ready in cash (or even a loan will be much cheaper than 1.5%) to not pay 1.5% every time.
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Percent increases are kind of a weird metric in a lot of cases. This is one of them. It's not particularly informative.
If you are a stripe user, it tells you exactly by how much you can expect your fees to increase =)
Re: Stripe increasing "instant payout" fees by 50%
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are a stripe user, it tells you exactly by how much you can expect your fees to increase =)
You'd also get that information by showing start and end values.