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GPT-4o
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#102They are admitting[1] that the new model is the gpt2-chatbot that we have seen before[2]. As many highlighted there, the model is not an improvement like GPT3->GPT4. I tested a bunch of programming stuff and it was not that much better. It's interesting that OpenAI is highlighting the Elo score instead of showing results for many many benchmarks that all models are stuck at 50-70% success. [1] https://twitter.com/Lia…
"not that much better" is extremely impressive, because it's a much smaller and much faster model. Don't worry, GPT-5 is coming and it will be better.
Chalmers: "GPT-5? A vastly-improved model that somehow reduces the compute overhead while providing better answers with the same hardware architecture? At this time of year? In this kind of market?"
Skinner: "Yes."
Chalmers: "May I see it?"
Skinner: "No."
Re: GPT-4o
#103Are the employees in the demo high-directives of OpenAI? I can understand Altman being happy with this progress, but what about the medium/low employees? Didn't they watch Oppenheimer? Are they happy they are destroying humanity/work/etc for future and not-so-future generations?
Anyone who thinks this will be like the previous work revolutions is nonsense. This replaces humans and will replace them even more on each new advance. What's their plan? Live out of their savings? What about family/friends? I honestly can't see this and think how they can be so happy about it...
"Hey, we created something very powerful that will do your work for free! And it does it better than you and faster than you! Who are you? It doesn't matter, it applies to all of you!"
And considering I was thinking in having a kid next year, well, this is a no.
Re: GPT-4o
#104That first demo video was impressive, but then it ended very abruptly. It made me wonder if the next response was not as good as the prior ones.
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#105This thing continues to stress my skepticism for AI scaling laws and the broad AI semiconductor capex spending.
1- OpenAI is still working in GPT-4-level models. More than 14 months after the launch of GPT-4 and after more than $10B in capital raised. 2- The rhythm that token prices are collapsing is bizarre. Now a (bit) better model for 50% of the price. How people seriously expect these foundational model companies to make substantial revenue? Token volume needs to double just for revenue to stand still. Since GPT-4 launch, token prices are falling 84% per year!! Good for mankind, but crazy for these companies. 3- Maybe I am an asshole, but where are my agents? I mean, good for the consumer use case. Let's hope the rumors that Apple is deploying ChatGPT with Siri are true, these features will help a lot. But I wanted agents! 4- These drop in costs are good for the environment! No reason to expect them to stop here.
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#106Just like that Google is on back foot again.
Considering the stock pumped following the presentation the market doesn't seem particularly with what OpenAI released at all.
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#107Looking forward to trying this via ChatGPT. As always OpenAI says "now available" but refreshing or logging in/out of ChatGPT (web and mobile) don't cause GPT-4o to show up. I don't know why I find this so frustrating. Probably because they don't say "rolling out" they say things like "try it now" but I can't even though I'm a paying customer. Oh well...
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#108The most impressive part is that the voice uses the right feelings and tonal language during the presentation. I'm not sure how much of that was that they had tested this over and over, but it is really hard to get that right so if they didn't fake it in some way I'd say that is revolutionary.
(I work at OpenAI.) It's really how it works.
With this capability, how close are y'all to it being able to listen to my pronunciation of a new language (e.g. Italian) and given specific feedback about how to pronounce it like a local?
Seems like these would be similar.
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#109Parts of the demo were quite choppy (latency?) so this definitely feels rushed in response to Google I/O. Other than that, looks good. Desktop app is great, but I didn’t see no mention of being able to use your own API key so OS projects might still be needed. The biggest thing is bringing GPT-4 to free users, that is an interesting move. Depending on what the limits are, I might cancel my subscription.
Regarding the limits, I recently found that I was hitting limits very quickly on GPT-4 on my ChatGPT Plus plan. I’m pretty sure that wasn’t always the case - it feels like somewhere along the lines the allowed usage was reduced, unless I’m imagining it. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if there was more visibility of my current usage compared to my total “allowance”. I ended up upgrading to ChatGPT Team which has a min…
I use GPT from API in emacs, it's wonderful. Gptel is the program.
Although API access through Groq to Llama 3 (8b and 70b) is so much faster, that i cannot stand how slow GPT is anymore. It is slooow, still very capable model, but marginally better than open source alternatives.
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#110For all the hype around this announcement I was expecting more than some demo-level stuff that close to nobody will use in real life. Disappointing.
Twice as fast and half the cost for the API sounds good to me. Not a demoable thing though.