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He threatened to try to get me fired and you choose to come after me for critiquing the tone of him doing that? Absurd.
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You realize lame responses like this are functionally an admission that your point was baseless right? When you resort to silly responses like "I'm trembling", anyone with half a brain reading that knows you have no rational response so you're falling back on playground taunting.
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> Nothing in any of my messages indicates that I'm condoning "burnout" Actually you literally advocate for burning yourself out, you just use slightly different terminology. > It's better to be naive and go from one corporate family to another with a caring attitude, attempting to make a difference, committing to hard work, and having your heart broken , ... Burnout is the cumulative effect of "having your heart brok…
I'll add, I do see the sibling commenter was being rude and that I wasn't sticking up for you, and I have experienced that myself and understand it's not easy to disentangle those conversations and see that I wasn't calling you childish or condoning it. It's not acceptable, and they shouldn't have done that. I could've said something in your defense, but I didn't, because I felt you had bent the conversation in that…
I didn't call him childish. I told him to stop being childish. Can you really argue his "how cynical! I'm trembling." reply isn't being childish?
Then he responded with an absurd response about how he should get me fired and I said he sounds like a child. Again, not a personal attack but a characterization of his tone. Which I don't see how anyone could take issue with. I'm being far more civil than him.
He gave me nothing substantial to respond to. All i can do is ask him to stop behaving like a child.
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I'll add, I do see the sibling commenter was being rude and that I wasn't sticking up for you, and I have experienced that myself and understand it's not easy to disentangle those conversations and see that I wasn't calling you childish or condoning it. It's not acceptable, and they shouldn't have done that. I could've said something in your defense, but I didn't, because I felt you had bent the conversation in that…
I didn't call him childish. I told him to stop being childish. Can you really argue his "how cynical! I'm trembling." reply isn't being childish? Then he responded with an absurd response about how he should get me fired and I said he sounds like a child. Again, not a personal attack but a characterization of his tone. Which I don't see how anyone could take issue with. I'm being far more civil than him. He gave me n…
> I didn't call him childish.
I mean, you did though.
> You sound like a child.
There's no daylight between this and calling them childish. But I fully acknowledge they were also at fault, particularly the thing about getting you fired, and the reason I didn't make any defense of or apology to you is that it didn't seem to be getting under your skin.
I would say that response fails to demonstrate maturity, and wasn't an appropriate response to your question. You don't have to take the bait. Two wrongs don't make a right, you shouldn't respond to a bad comment with another bad comment, etc.
If someone isn't giving you something substantial to respond to, you can choose not to respond rather than responding inappropriately.
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Ah, thought you were referring to salary, not IOUs. I'll stick with consulting.
Common misunderstanding. RSU grants at public companies vest regularly. At Google I had no cliff and my shares vested monthly. With auto sell it was just another ~10k of cash per month. Smaller grants would vest quarterly. FWIW I consult now and make more than I ever did at a company, so also find a niche and raise your rates.
Yeah that's my plan right now. I've thought about going back to full time every now and then but it is often too hard to advance and many companies with high growth end up failing. I have a lot of freedom where I'm at now (transitioned to a consultant with more pay and mostly choosing my own hours) and it was hard work to earn it at that company. Sometimes you get in too early and get burned out, sometimes you get in too late to make a difference. Big corporations aren't really for me either and I don't want to move back to a major coastal city, it ends up costing more than the difference in pay.
The company I'm currently with is doing pretty well too and I have a lot of time there so there's always a possibility of advancement there too. Though if there were jobs with 300k cash salary or more that didn't require relocation I'd have to really think about it. There's always a risk that the new job doesn't work out for whatever reason and I've been burned badly by that before. Never fully recovered from the 2016 move to Palo Alto!
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Edit out swipes.
He threatened to try to get me fired and you choose to come after me for critiquing the tone of him doing that? Absurd.
I didn't "come after you," and I didn't read the threat as sincere. If you do, email dang and tell him this person is harassing you.
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I didn't call him childish. I told him to stop being childish. Can you really argue his "how cynical! I'm trembling." reply isn't being childish? Then he responded with an absurd response about how he should get me fired and I said he sounds like a child. Again, not a personal attack but a characterization of his tone. Which I don't see how anyone could take issue with. I'm being far more civil than him. He gave me n…
> I didn't call him childish. I mean, you did though. > You sound like a child. There's no daylight between this and calling them childish. But I fully acknowledge they were also at fault, particularly the thing about getting you fired, and the reason I didn't make any defense of or apology to you is that it didn't seem to be getting under your skin. I would say that response fails to demonstrate maturity, and wasn't…
Disagree with you 100%. "You sound like" is specifically addressing what he is saying, not calling him names. I think you are being completely unfair to me.
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He threatened to try to get me fired and you choose to come after me for critiquing the tone of him doing that? Absurd.
I didn't "come after you," and I didn't read the threat as sincere. If you do, email dang and tell him this person is harassing you.
You did come after me. The point is he is saying nothing of substance and behaving like a child. I called him out on it and you give me crap for that. You're being absurd.
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I didn't "come after you," and I didn't read the threat as sincere. If you do, email dang and tell him this person is harassing you.
You did come after me. The point is he is saying nothing of substance and behaving like a child. I called him out on it and you give me crap for that. You're being absurd.
I reminded you that you shouldn't be rude. You don't need to be rude to get your point across. I was arguing in favor of the same perspective, I was insulted by the same person, but I managed it. Frankly I find it absurd for you to say this person is "behaving like a child" and then, when challenged on your behavior, to turn around and say "they started it."
I don't think there's more to say; have a good day.
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> I didn't call him childish. I mean, you did though. > You sound like a child. There's no daylight between this and calling them childish. But I fully acknowledge they were also at fault, particularly the thing about getting you fired, and the reason I didn't make any defense of or apology to you is that it didn't seem to be getting under your skin. I would say that response fails to demonstrate maturity, and wasn't…
Disagree with you 100%. "You sound like" is specifically addressing what he is saying, not calling him names. I think you are being completely unfair to me.
Feel free to ask a friend you trust to be honest with you whether I was unfair, and whether there's a material difference between saying someone is childish and saying they "sound like a child," telling them "don't be childish," and saying they "behave like a child."