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Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#101
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Imagine being an innocent developer trying to spin up some internal dev tooling and accidentally landing on the front page of HN to be misinterpreted as an attack against google which could affect both stock

Ah well I like your joke, but I know GPT is moving fast, but it would be unlikely and innocent dev can change DNS records of chatgpt.com

Only the guilty ones can?

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#102

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Why? As I understand it, the domain owner can assign the name you “trust” to any server already. Might as well trust all names by that domain owner.

Because if your one wildcard cert gets compromised somehow, the attacker can now impersonate every subdomain of yours. Consider what happens if there's an old test box called daves-test-box.example.com that has a copy of the wildcard cert valid for *.example.com. Dave quits and never updates his box. Eventually an unpatched CVE gets used to steal the cert. Now the attacker can phish or MitM your users of www.example.…

No one is saying wildcard certificates should be mandatory. An old test box shouldn't have a wildcard certificate for sure.

Yours is not an argument against wildcard certificates! Yes, like, everything else ever, wildcard certificates can be misused.

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#104
post #53

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It will be interesting to see what happens to copyright claims against ChatGPT. Google can just remove claimed content from its index, what will OpenAI do?

Use their legal and PR fund to fight back.

If all you have to do to beat these claims is throw money at the problem, then why haven't the other (better funded) search engines done that?

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#105
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Certificate Transparency really serves the end user. Because the most popular browsers (at least Chrome and Safari) generally require CT logged certificates, if you want to successfully perform a MitM attack against any user, even just some individual user, even controlling a CA, you still can't do so without publishing your fraudulent certificate to a CT log. This is the important function of the CT log. It is an ef…

I don't follow your threat model. Let's say that browser is fine with CT if either leaf or intermediate certificate is logged. If you need to issue fake certificate, you need to either log it, or you need to issue fake intermediate certificate and log it. Either way it's visible to website owner (and other people likely won't care anyway).

It would be completely possible to do it that way, but doing it this way ensures that at no point does certificate issuance become opaque and impossible to scrutinize. We want to ensure that CAs follow certain rules, and CT logs are one way to do this. For example, a CA should not issue a certificate with a forged "not before" time. There are certainly many more cases like this.

Public CT logs mean that the property of transparent certificate issuance extends to the entire Internet, which is good. If you want private certs, you can use a private CA and deploy it to the machines in your domain. Totally reasonable alternative in my opinion.

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#106
post #52

Imagine being an innocent developer trying to spin up some internal dev tooling and accidentally landing on the front page of HN to be misinterpreted as an attack against google which could affect both stock

I hope they don't use this level of DNS to set up internal tooling.

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#107
There is a rumour of an OpenAi event apparently next week, so likely what this is.

Some creators also seem to suggest they know what is going on, youtube mattvidpro hinted at it when talking about the gpt2-chatbot, he mentioned he knew something but couldn't talk about it or get sued.

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#108

A new search system is coming. At least I've already seen about 50 visits to my website from ChatGPT.

Why do you think this implies they are building a search service rather than just scraping your site for more training data?

That's an assumption, as they could easily develop a search engine and incorporate the same advertising model used by Microsoft Bing.

I've noticed an interesting pattern: before releasing LLaMA 3, OpenAI provided access to ChatGPT 3.5 without requiring registration.

Meta might also follow this path with its own search engine. Did you know that you can now ask questions directly on Instagram and receive answers from Meta AI using LLaMA 3?

Why go elsewhere for information when you can easily find it in the app you use every day?

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#109

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Use their legal and PR fund to fight back.

If all you have to do to beat these claims is throw money at the problem, then why haven't the other (better funded) search engines done that?

Clogged arteries, i.e. layers upon layers of risk-averse and clueless management. Top management paralysed by what the stock market may think of their ideas. You could also ask why Bing has been forever underperforming despite all the cash Microsoft has throw at it so far?

Re: Search.chatgpt.com domain and SSL cert have been created

#110

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Why? As I understand it, the domain owner can assign the name you “trust” to any server already. Might as well trust all names by that domain owner.

Because if your one wildcard cert gets compromised somehow, the attacker can now impersonate every subdomain of yours. Consider what happens if there's an old test box called daves-test-box.example.com that has a copy of the wildcard cert valid for *.example.com. Dave quits and never updates his box. Eventually an unpatched CVE gets used to steal the cert. Now the attacker can phish or MitM your users of www.example.…

I don't think you realize the ammount or scrutiny and approvals required to allow an exployee to use a sub on the main domain in corp.. A very very.. very limited ammount or people can do DNS changes for the main domain with a crap ton of signatures and eyes monitoring the whole thing.

Dave can test his stuff on a newly bought domain for testing or the internal domains.

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