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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by drewcon »

skhunted wrote: post #84
drewcon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re not even close.

Do you believe all 8 billion people could live like Americans in a sustainable way? Do you believe we could produce enough meat and animal derived products in a morally sustainable way? Looking at film of the conditions of the animals in factory farms it’s clear the meat portion of our food supply is grossly immoral.

We saw this movie before in the 70s. “The population bomb” etc. All that Malthusian drivel assumed a static state when humanity is anything but.

You are discounting civilizations ability to adapt and invent by an absolutely incredible margin that is not supported by our own history of human events.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by subquantum2 »

ImaCake wrote: post #80
subquantum2 wrote: post #60

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The H5N1 tests are PCR (with an extra “reversed” step for RNA) and are, in fact, pretty reliable. The same was true for COVID. The bad covid tests were the early antibody tests which had a ridiculously high false positive rate that made them useless. But the manufacturers lied about the quality or just relied on the lack of statistical literacy to sell their product.

It showed positive because The number of cycles in the PCR test was so high that it won't make any sense anymore. It was already positive from a slight contamination.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by aitchnyu »

Just when I contemplated the days of cows eating cow brains and getting prion diseases was behind us, I learned they are allowed to be fed "chicken litter" which is fancy term for shit and dead bodies. How about we limit our food animals to vegetarian feed? It may be less cholestrol-genic too.

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Post by subquantum2 »

al_borland wrote: post #77
subquantum2 wrote: post #60

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Your accusation that the tests are fake would mean what, that every test always tests positive? I’ve taken at least a half dozen Covid tests and have never tested positive. That would seemingly kill your conspiracy theory.

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Post by lm28469 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #99
al_borland wrote: post #67

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When my mom was growing up she had organ meats pretty regularly, as it was cheaper and they didn’t have a lot of money. Over in Scotland their national dish is haggis, which is a bunch of organ meats minced up, and then they add in some oats to bulk it up and make it go further. There are solutions to use more of the animal and stretch it. I almost never hear about people eating organ meats in the US anymore. People…

One of the most consistent technological innovations throughout humanity's existence has been in improving how we eat, because eating is by far one of the biggest pleasures a person can have in life. The invention of fire revolutionized eating, the invention of agriculture revolutionized access to food at a fundamental level, the invention of refrigeration and freezing vastly expanded the reach and safety of food fro…

> eating is by far one of the biggest pleasures a person can have in life.

With 70% of the west being obese or overweight I think the pendulum swung way too far.

> This notion of sacrificing Quality of Eating(tm) is therefore a non-starter

When did factory farms meat become quality ?? I think you're mistaking quantity and low price for quality.

You'd have to be blind to not see how the quality of food decreased in the past decades, my grandparents ate much less meat but almost everything was local

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by mailund »

mattmaroon wrote: post #13
themk wrote: post #9

Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...

It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

not my field, but isn't meat pretty lossy compression food-wise? IIRC, feeding an animal to later eat instead of just eating what the animal would eat wastes like 90% (not sure of the exact figure) of the calories. So if we just ate the plants directly and easily cover our caloric needs without going through the cow-middleman.

Kind of like, instead of feeding the cows a bunch of soy and then eating the cow, just eat the soy as tofu or edamame instead.

Of course a lot of people prefer eating meat, but that's besides the point.

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Post by lettergram »

roywiggins wrote: post #88
lettergram wrote: post #70

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I find the idea of lab grown meat almost comical… So we have these animals, which eat plants and generate fuel (poop) & food (meat). Our bodies are adapted to eating them, our bodies need the same nutrients, and we’re programmed to enjoy the food. The input to this process is mostly grass and grain, both generated via solar power. Now instead… we take grain, highly process it and make someone few people enjoy, with l…

Lab-grown meat is meat, not grain. It's produced in bioreactors and the like. It doesn't really exist in any meaningful sense yet, though.

It also has to have some inputs, which come from things like grain.

The more interesting part, is imo there will be a lot of nutrition we miss

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by skhunted »

drewcon wrote: post #101
skhunted wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe all 8 billion people could live like Americans in a sustainable way? Do you believe we could produce enough meat and animal derived products in a morally sustainable way? Looking at film of the conditions of the animals in factory farms it’s clear the meat portion of our food supply is grossly immoral.

We saw this movie before in the 70s. “The population bomb” etc. All that Malthusian drivel assumed a static state when humanity is anything but. You are discounting civilizations ability to adapt and invent by an absolutely incredible margin that is not supported by our own history of human events.

You think 8 billion people can live like Americans in a sustainable way? Now by sustainable, I mean that we do so in a way that does not turn the world into a pollution infested shithole. If all 8 billion people lived like Americans where would the pollution be exported too? Who would do the work that people who live like Americans won’t do but depend on people doing?

The distribution of resources in the world is grossly unfair and it is not sustainable that 8 billion people live the way Americans live.

As it stands now the world is already becoming a pollution infested shithole. Imagine what happens when 7 billion more people live like us.

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Post by sitkack »

beardedwizard wrote: post #61
anArbitraryOne wrote: post #11

Let's keep livestock in poor conditions and give them antibiotics to survive, then complain about the consequences

Are antibiotics suddenly a factor in viral infections?

You could have said that in so many better ways.
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