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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by mightyham »

bushbaba wrote: post #45
mightyham wrote: post #29

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Are you not aware of the Nakba or Israel using banned weapons on civilians for decades? I'm not saying hamas' actions are justified but there is no side in this conflict that can confidently claim moral superiority.

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This post and siblings all have maybe the most pro-zionist historical reading of the Nakba imaginable. Look into the Irgun organization for instance and you'll realize that the first Jewish settelers in palestine where incredibly violent against native peoples, and the war of 1948 was not entirely unprovoked.

I also have to clarify that I do believe Israel has the right to defend it's interests and retaliate against enemies. That does not make their actions moral.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by racional »

bushbaba wrote: post #45
mightyham wrote: post #29

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Are you not aware of the Nakba or Israel using banned weapons on civilians for decades? I'm not saying hamas' actions are justified but there is no side in this conflict that can confidently claim moral superiority.

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by spencerflem »

dijit wrote: post #87
spencerflem wrote: post #68

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In general, the pro-palistinian side is favored by the progressive left, the same group who are also pro-gay/pro-trans etc. In a lot of ways, the struggles are similar to BLM - there is a great injustice being done by a powerful force funded by the US government. Or again with opposing the US's global war on terror. The people in those groups aren't forced to be on the palenstinians side, but it is logically consiste…

Interesting. I, uh, am not sure how a person can hold those views simultaneously. Success of Palestine will mean oppression of the groups the cause seeks to protect (LGBTQ+ specifically). Isn't this "paradox of tolerance"-esque, or is there a belief that if the Palestinian people were not being bombarded by an oppressive force: that they would be equitable to LGBTQ causes. Or: does it not factor into it at all?

Posted a different comment further in, but in my opinion it doesn't factor much.

For example, right now the USA is quite progressive in general with gay rights compared to many places, which is great, but I would not support the US government invading other countries, or going back to colonization etc.

I can see those two might be opposed if what you wanted was LBGTQ rights at any cost. But for me at least war, and especially one-sided war, is the bigger injustice and other issues are secondary to that.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by chpatrick »

Terr_ wrote: post #71
chpatrick wrote: post #8

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See also YouTube happily selling millions of dollars in advertising every year to the Orbán regime and pals. If you don't have AdBlock or premium in Hungary you get five minutes of brainwashing before every video. These are the same regime saying that the fact that gay people exist is propaganda and a threat to children. If Google actually gave a fuck they could start with that. Any semblance of being progressive is…

Looking for more detail, came across: > The advertisements thus formally promote the Hungarian government’s anti-migrant measures. At the same time, they also stress the dangers of migration and the violence of migrants. These advertisements also appeared in countries when allies of the Orbán government, also campaigning with anti-migrant slogans, were competing in parliamentary or local elections. [...] > Google dis…

If you want to see for yourself, VPN to Hungary and try YouTube when signed out.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by bell-cot »

gedy wrote: post #18

Honestly why I like WFH - I can stay away from people who "bring their whole selves" to the office, while I just need a job. (I'm not at Google)

"Bring your whole selves to the office" can work pretty darn well (at least from the C-suite PoV) when the company is a (relative) plucky little startup, and you're trying to get the drones to work 80+ hour weeks for crap pay.

But when you're a corporate behemoth, with a "keep turning crank to keep making $billions" business model...then not so much.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by spencerflem »

ditton wrote: post #99
dijit wrote: post #30

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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

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Without getting into the Palestine/Israel part, something I feel strongly about but cannot phrase nicely in a pithy internet comment - I really think that for someone griping about ignoring nuance or deep analysis you are grossly mischaracterizing trans rights.

Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces. You also ignore transmasc people who are equally oppressed by the new laws coming out of places like Florida and Texas.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #30
jsiepkes wrote: post #5

Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is involved they behave pretty predictable.

I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by swat535 »

loufe wrote: post #58

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Why do you think this discussion should be shut down?

It seems like there's a significant topic worth exploring here: a tech company with "liberal activism" as a core value is now terminating employees for being political.

Seems like there is a pretty relevant topic to be examined.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by gedy »

racional wrote: post #98
gedy wrote: post #82

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As an outside observer, I just hear a lot of hyperbolic reasoning like: "Tech workers are demanding that they have right to know how their labour is going to be used. With little clarity about the project, they fear the technology might be used for harm." Is there actual specifics about Project Nimbus that "are helping it commit atrocities in Palestine", or is it just that Google is selling general cloud computing to…

Not just to "Israel" as a customer -- but at least part of the project has been earmarked to the IDF specifically (per documents obtained in a recent Time magazine investigation). That's a huge distinction, especially given what we now know about Project Lavender. And in itself is ample grounds to not to meekly ask, but to demand from Google that it provide clarification as whether the tools or services it is providi…

But afaik Lavender is an Israeli internal tool, not Google developed. I'm not arguing for Google or Israel here, just that people passionate about this aren't straightforward either.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by nailer »

racional wrote: post #102
bushbaba wrote: post #45

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Arab states declaring war on Israel is widely documented part of history. You post does not include supporting arguments for any alternative explanation.

Meanwhile, the arabs that stayed in Israel during that war make up 20% of the population and interestingly enjoy more rights than any arab country.

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