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Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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That's why they still are in research and not widely available.

that's funny, because when I watched the video I've got the impression it was dangerously roaming around the roads of San Francisco with hundreds of non-consenting people in close proximity

Correct. Like I said, they are not wide spread. Only a few cities while remote monitored.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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That's why they still are in research and not widely available.

Why are they conducting experimental research on public roads in densely populated cities?

Probably because it's cheap and gives the most feedback.

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Yeah I’m wondering if they accidentally have training data from those places and plus that data might be more likely to have groups of cyclists.

Or people randomly playing cricket in the middle of the street. For real. Not /s. Not in downtown Melbourne, but a definite possibility in suburban streets.

In parts of North America you have to deal with street hockey, so I imagine dealing with street cricket looks basically the same.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Or people randomly playing cricket in the middle of the street. For real. Not /s. Not in downtown Melbourne, but a definite possibility in suburban streets.

In parts of North America you have to deal with street hockey, so I imagine dealing with street cricket looks basically the same.

In London they have runaway horses .. that's gotta be a bit of a challenge.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68887800

They smashed up a bus and a regular taxi en route to Freedom!

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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I'd expect to be prosecuted if I was caught driving like this, and probably lose my license as a result what is the threshold for permanently terminating Waymo's license? - an example like this of dangerous driving? - 1 death by dangerous driving? - 10 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veered right in this video into the other road users) - 100 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veers into a sidewalk full of ped…

Why would you expect losing a license? The only actual issue I can see is crossing the double line which is just one penalty point if caught https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21460/ (Possibly also not using the indicator which is another point, but I don't think we can be 100% sure it wasn't used before the change started - California seems to require it only before not during lane change if I read it…

You'd also get a misdemeanor (or felony if you hurt someone).

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21651b/

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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I would be curious to know what the car thought the situation was, something must have gone really wrong here. It ignored the double lines and crossed them to overtake and then stayed in the wrong lane for a really long time. If the car understood the state of the world around this, this is kind of a huge mistake in behaviour. And if it didn't it is concerning as well as it would mean it can end up in the opposite la…

Everyone seems to be an expert on what to do in this situation. I would argue that it's not as trivial as it seems. Yes the waymo cars seems to be on the wrong side of the road for far too long but when surrounded with erratic uniwheeler, stopping is not necessarly the right thing to do either. As a human driver, i got into some strange situation where I had to play damage control because of an early bad decision. In a big city, not crossing the double yellow line mean you will probably end up stuck every block. I personally see this as a good example to learn from but not necessarly a reason to stop testing. I would also restrain from making any decision before seeing the actual data from the car cameras/lidar/radar system.
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