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The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Linux on the desktop is utopian. Even in 2024, it is plagued with millions of bugs. I can't use Linux for an hour on a desktop PC without encountering some issue. On the other hand, MacBooks and Windows PCs just work seamlessly, without any problems whatsoever. This is solely the fault of Linux developers, who, instead of developing one system well, create dozens of half-baked package managers, desktop environments,…

Windows on the desktop is dystopian. It works seamlessly when it's not installing candy crush pretending it's a security update, or when it decides to search the web for that word document you wrote yesterday, or when it decides your browser is bad because it's not edge.

So yeah, it works flawlessly, but only for Microsoft.

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>My point is really that it could easily be the norm though. It couldn't and the proof is in the pudding. If it were that easy as you make it seem, we would have done it a long time ago. Non-tech people hate switching away form office since that's the only thing they know how to use comfortably, especially to janky stuff like latex that's not WYSIWYG and needs to be compiled. Nobody is gonna use that shit. And non-te…

Arguably, most people I have encountered don't actually know how to use Microsoft Office in any kind of depth but it is a familiar environment for them. It is like most people don't actually drive a car well as supported by car accident statistics. Most work probably shouldn't be done in the Office suite but rather some information system copying the formalized process. Most text processing should probably decouple c…

>but it is a familiar environment for them

Being familiar with something way bette than needing to learn from scratch. That's the end of the sales pitch.

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The convenience and business sense argument could make sense if the value of a communication platform was small and close to its cost. But it's not. Similarly as it doesn't make business sense to rent the cheapest or easiest to lease office exactly because a good office to your company is more valuable than its cost. People hate Teams/Office because it's so low quality, effecting a large drag on communication. It's a…

People don't hate Teams. It is competitive enough against Zoom and Google Meet (which is the worst of the three) for people to use it for video conferencing. As a slack competitor Teams is arguably worse, but for people who haven't used Slack the difference is hard to justify switching.

Teams and Microsoft in general is foisted on people by IT departments. Nobody chooses to use it.

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One of the interesting things about real colonialism is that the Europeans had wildly better legal infrastructure, that supported wildly better economic infrastructure, which supported wildly better military technology, which supported colonies. The proof in the pudding is that Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft. Until they fix that, they…

Another issue are non competes. Everyone wants to get a tech sector like California but insist on having non competition agreements being either valid or conditionally valid meaning there is a gray area that stifles innovation.

In Germany there are practically no non-competition agreements. Im not sureb

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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This is a 43 minute video. Has anyone watched it in full length? I haven't, but I (European) agree with the title.

It's nice, but there's probably nothing new there for your typical HN reader (unless if they're young I guess ?)

It's also dangerously focused on Microsoft and complacent with "cloud" software. Google has already been winning their wrestling match over desktop computing for some time now, they shouldn't be helped. And with shittier software as a result.

Also while using "Microsoft sounds" in the music is cute, I can't help but think that it's a bit like using Nazi music (Wagner ??) in a documentary critical of Nazis...

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It's very possible to be very rich in France. It's not the result of random luck that both the richest man and the richest woman in the world were french not that long ago (Bernard Arnaud and Liliane Bettencourt). You should not buy the right wing discourse that in France rich people are too taxed and they flee blabla. This is just a way to push their right wing agenda. I'm myself quite rich and I'm doing well, so do…

I agree with you, and French people have nothing against riches as long as they don’t try to evade taxation. We have plenty of rich people who just contribute to the social system and live their life. What French people don’t like is when elites try to steal our social system. However your example isn’t really fair to be honest : Arnault and Bettencourt are really not self-made families, they are both from historical…

Yes, I was just illustrating that we don't eat the riches, it's indeed not good examples of becoming rich in France (though the truth is our traditional "social elevator" is being broken more and more as free public schools are left in a worse and worse state by politicians who send all their kids to fancy private schools, which makes it harder and harder to move to the upper class)

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It's actually spot on. We are all looking pretty nervously at the possibility of Trump's return. He'd be definitely willing to throw us under the Putin bus for a couple million USD laundered through his golf club or hotel bookings. And you wouldn't actually revolt and do anything about that. So, on a whole, not really allies. Just other people who individually may or may not be our friends.

I don't support Trump, I don't like Trump; however, although Trump says a lot of shit, he's no where near the level of Putin or Xi in terms of what he actually does. Even under Trump, America would still definitely definitely be an ally.

Trump has thankfully not been able to do much, however the Bush family has. They were worse than Xi or even Putin (if you take a non-European point of view).

(Arguably, Trump, Xi and even Putin still have "potential" left.)

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One of the interesting things about real colonialism is that the Europeans had wildly better legal infrastructure, that supported wildly better economic infrastructure, which supported wildly better military technology, which supported colonies. The proof in the pudding is that Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft. Until they fix that, they…

Things seem to change in France though. It's relatively easy to open a startup and get tax discounts for research and innovative work. Then you fly-in employees (I'm one of them) on passeport talent which is very easy to get and lasts 4 years. Average IT salaries in Europe are much lower than in US, which is unpleasant but allows to run an IT startup with less funding and healthier economics. However the gap to close…

As a European, I don't think it's just the law that matters here, though that's certainly a problem. There are two other issues, namely immigration and market size.

The underappreciated thing about the US immigration system is the fact that you usually don't even need it. If you're a Silicon Valley startup, you have a pool of 330 million people to hire from, and they all live in your country, speak your language and are part of the same culture. Yes, the EU has free movement, but moving from Warsaw to Berlin, two European cities that are pretty close to each other, is going to be far bigger of an ordeal than moving from New York, Massachusetts, or even Texas or Alabama to San Francisco. Maybe not from a legal perspective, but definitely from a language / cultural / "how do I go to a doctor here" perspective. If you need very specific talent, like people with expertise in building distributed databases or self-driving cars, you're far more likely to find them amongst 330 million Americans than amongst, let's say, 2 million Latvians. This causes network effects to kick in, making America even more of a "magnet" for talented people.

The other issue is basically the same problem, except going the other way. In the US, releasing a product means releasing it to 330 million prospective customers at once. In most industries, if you release your product in English and can accept credit cards, most people that you'd want as your early customers can already buy it. This is not true in Europe, every country has its own language and its own take on online payments. If your startup touches the physical world or legal system in any way (think easier invoicing for small businesses, 21st-century software for hotel management, an easy website builder for private medical practices etc), this is even more of an issue. The problem you're solving might not even exist in some countries (maybe their government already provides a good app for invoicing), and where it does exist, it's hard to figure out its nuances without speaking the right language. This basically means those kinds of startups usually work on a local level, not a European level.

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Another issue are non competes. Everyone wants to get a tech sector like California but insist on having non competition agreements being either valid or conditionally valid meaning there is a gray area that stifles innovation.

In Germany there are practically no non-competition agreements. Im not sureb

In Austria non-competes are legal and often found in employment contracts.

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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What viable European alternatives to Microsoft Office are there? Google Docs is also a US-based cloud service. LibreOffice is ugly, its UX is sometimes worse than Office 2003 (especially Calc, where pivot tables have to be blindly configured in a modal dialog, and there is no equivalent to the Table feature from Excel), and they still haven't implemented automatically downloading updates.

ONLYOFFICE comes to mind, although the "Europeanness" of it can be up for debate. Promises pretty good compatibility with MS formats! AGPL licensed too, which I think is a plus.

Free personal tier, which they host themselves, similar to Google Docs / Sheet: https://personal.onlyoffice.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyOffice

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