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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #65

I believe that overall the decision is a good one, there are no real good reasons why cannabis should be prohibited. At the same time, I strongly hope that the cannabis smokers will be considerate of the people around them. It is quite a foul smell if you are not partaking yourself.

Berlin has a lot of smoking bars, and people frequently smoke on train platforms. Cannabis won't significantly worsen things.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Oh, it was allowed to consume it, but not carry it? That's a bit odd.

Isnt it reasonable to penalize drug trafficking over consumption, which just targets end users

It is, it's just a bit odd that I can be prosecuted while smoking a blunt, not because I'm smoking it but because I have it.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke).

The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on.

However, I do support the legalization of cannabis, as scientific evidence suggests that can reduce crime and reduce attractiveness of it as a kind of "forbidden fruit", and I think it'd be wrong to criminalize those people who were too curious for their own good. There also seem well-attested cases for medical use.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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That is not the norm. You won't get charged for smoking in Copenhagen, but it will put you in a high risk category for smuggling so their typical response here is to search you. They were probably under a high workload and had to prioritize heavily.

I heard cannabis is no longer openly sold in Copenhagen.

Up until about a week ago it was, even though they announced otherwise.

However, there was suppressed to be a further push to end it. I haven't walked by Pusher Street since then.

News yesterday (Danish) https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/den-her-gang-er-det-anderl...

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

#105
post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

And still alcohol is legal despite all proven destruction it causes

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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You're probably right that it's the case in most countries, but an interesting counterexample is Sweden, where testing positive on a drug test is a criminal offence. Police can arrest you for appearing to be under the influence of drugs, and if they find any traces in a urine test, they'll fine you for it. I hope that legalization in Germany will lead to more sane laws in Sweden, but honestly, I'm not holding my brea…

I saw a man get hassled by Swedish police on a train just after crossing the Øresund Bridge. "The dog is very interested in your bag", they said. The man admitted that maybe he had smoked marijuana in Copenhagen and they left him alone. I'm sure selective enforcement is at play, but at least in my experience they didn't care.

Prosecution in Sweden for an act committed in another country is generally only possible if it is punishable in both jurisdictions. Internationally it's a relatively common rule in criminal law. Courts have smacked the cops and prosecutors over this so they don't waste time on such cases anymore.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #67

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That's literally what the German government is doing. They are giving you back the choice, without the threat of punishment. I get that you're an anarchist or whatever, but repealing prohibition laws shouldn't be something you argue against just because you disagree with the concept of laws as a whole. That said, if you think that a lawless society would afford you any freedom, you are entirely mistaken.

By what means does a government have the ability to a/ take choice away, b/ give it back? Is it a moral consensus, if it is backed by force? It's simply that the whole thing is an illusion agreed upon. Or rather, stumbled into, educated into, assumed! There's no agreed consensus. Is it ok to mislead people into false beliefs? > if you think that a lawless society would afford you any freedom, you are entirely mistake…

A lawbound state gives me the freedom to live my life without being murdered by someone who knows there are no repercussions for doing so. If you think there is a good reason to allow murder, then please explain what that is. I do agree with you that many laws are overreaching, like those that prevent me from doing something with no negative effect on anyone else, just like the law we're discussing here.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

#108
post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

I know you can’t see me, but it really enriched my life. I wish more people knew how to be a virtuous cannabis smoker — it takes some effort

Same with many other drugs that has medicinal value, IMO. We can have a war on opioids all we want, but there are people who do need it, right? There will always be people who abuse it, be it cannabis or whatever else. I know for a fact it makes me lazy, so I do not use it.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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It’s been legal since 2018, up here in Canada, and other than extreme amount of cannabis shops in every other block, it’s basically been the same as pre-legalization. People who were into it, still into it. People who didn’t still don’t. Maybe just the people who were curious but didn’t want to try it because it was illegal tried it out and joined either of the camps. I’m not the biggest fan, but as a person who enjo…

Thanks for the report, so basically it removed the legal burden on people and police, no need to hide or buy at secret deals, and no need to arrest them all the time for smoking, is it right ? Are there regulation on the production of cannabis on sale ? concentration and limits in amount of impurities etc ?

> Are there regulation on the production of cannabis on sale ? concentration and limits in amount of impurities etc ?

Yes, it is regulated. However, growers get to choose which labs they send their samples to. With those incentives, you can guess what happens next.

Other than that, I agree with the GP: nothing has really changed; those who smoked continue to do so, often relying on the cheaper black market; those who didn't like it continue to not partake.

I vape once every few months and it is nice to have access to legal weed with transparent pricing.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #79
post #65

I believe that overall the decision is a good one, there are no real good reasons why cannabis should be prohibited. At the same time, I strongly hope that the cannabis smokers will be considerate of the people around them. It is quite a foul smell if you are not partaking yourself.

This is all I ask. I've never had an interest in weed, but I also don't think it should be illegal. After it was legalized in my state, I started second guessing my stance out of spite. I quickly got tired of not being able to do a chore like grocery shopping without having the store stink of weed because someone couldn't open a window while they baked in their car, or whatever. The commercial culture that sprung up…

You mean they revealed themselves as bankrolled by big tobacco and use the same playbooks.
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