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Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by slim »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #44
pdonis wrote: post #41

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> in the US you don't need a reason to fire someone That's not quite what "at will employment" in the US actually means. What it means is that an employer can fire you at any time for any reason that isn't an unlawful reason. It doesn't mean the employer doesn't have to give a reason at all, or that the employer can simply refuse to give a reason if questioned, particularly if there is an allegation that the firing w…

Ok so it's not really at will. There's still laws and regulations around firings.

a valid reason can be "to make more profit"

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Post by slim »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #92
lizardking wrote: post #64

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Found Peter Zeihan’s burner account ;)

It definitely is a lot of Zeihan in there, but a lot of what he says is compelling. I don't necessarily buy the "pirates are coming" because the US abandons patrolling the high seas. I think China can replace its demographic losses in the cities by pulling from the rural areas. But... with the end of oil as a paramount geopolitical concern due to our domestic production and EVs/alt energy ... why would we keep 13 car…

  WHy are we doing all this "free defense"? Why are we essentially allowing China to own our production
you have it backwards. china is not owning your production, you are exploiting chinese labor. and it's not "free defense" you are bullying sovereign states with your army to extract submission to your exploitative economics

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by Rinzler89 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #61
Rinzler89 wrote: post #56

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>What EU country is that? Austria.

Wow weird. I've been there and l thought it was a really socialist country. Especially because the housing in Vienna seems very well regulated to avoid extreme prices. But I didn't really discuss this topic with the coworkers I visited so clearly I was wrong :(

Oh it's socialist all right when it comes to taxing everything that moves to pay for pensions and welfare. It's not socialist when it comes to employment laws and protections, there it's a capitalist paradise. In most non unionized business it's at will employment.

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by rfoo »

sumedh wrote: post #76
ein0p wrote: post #69

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

> China represents an even larger pool How many in the Chinese pool speak good English?

100%.

You can't be in the so-called "talent pool" without being able to speak good English.

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Post by wkat4242 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #103
wkat4242 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow weird. I've been there and l thought it was a really socialist country. Especially because the housing in Vienna seems very well regulated to avoid extreme prices. But I didn't really discuss this topic with the coworkers I visited so clearly I was wrong :(

Oh it's socialist all right when it comes to taxing everything that moves to pay for pensions and welfare. It's not socialist when it comes to employment laws and protections, there it's a capitalist paradise. In most non unionized business it's at will employment.

Wow, I had no idea we even had at will employment anywhere in Europe!

Like here in Spain if I'd get fired I would get a redundancy package for sure. And of course France has even better protections (we're all jealous of their 2 months holidays of course :P ).

I'm not sure if we're unionised though.

Thanks for letting me know. I was not really considering it as a place to live but I won't now - especially as I'm getting older.

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by wakawaka28 »

slim wrote: post #100
wakawaka28 wrote: post #83

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Some people will hit each other up for paid references. The guy doing the referral can get paid by the new hire and the company. Idk what threshold of acquaintance is enough for a referral, but the worst things you can imagine have been done and are even routine in some places.

or just indian engineers have a disproportionate number of indian engineers in their social network

I'm sure that is also true. But I know the other thing happens too. I've heard about it and read it. Some Indians even asked me for a referral, as a stranger.

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Post by gambiting »

wkat4242 wrote: post #105
Rinzler89 wrote: post #103

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Oh it's socialist all right when it comes to taxing everything that moves to pay for pensions and welfare. It's not socialist when it comes to employment laws and protections, there it's a capitalist paradise. In most non unionized business it's at will employment.

Wow, I had no idea we even had at will employment anywhere in Europe! Like here in Spain if I'd get fired I would get a redundancy package for sure. And of course France has even better protections (we're all jealous of their 2 months holidays of course :P ). I'm not sure if we're unionised though. Thanks for letting me know. I was not really considering it as a place to live but I won't now - especially as I'm getti…

UK is completely 100% at will within the first 2 years of your employment, no redundancy package in that time either. In the first 2 years you can be let go without any reason, only after 2 years your employer has to make you redundant to let you go.

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Post by whamlastxmas »

workingdog wrote: post #89
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #67

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Sorry to hear that. I find those kinds of trainings rather distasteful as well, and I'm not even white. I'm lucky I can ignore that kind of crap for the most part. Except when people start inventing nonsense to libel Indian people with.

Indians do better than white people in the US. You're next for the two-minute hate from the far-left. Watch for the 'caste' system being brought up like a boogeyman.

Are you saying caste discrimination isn’t actually a problem in the US?

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by freitzkriesler2 »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

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I'll take the downvotes. I've seen enough Indian cultural nonsense play out at several industries and businesses that the answer is yes: first generation Indian immigrants recreate their obnoxious cultural problems within American businesses and cities.

And stereotypes are typically rooted in truth. I have no qualms about calling out the cultural problems of India which are rampant be it sexism, caste system, or worse: personal hygiene.

When it's a one or two indians, the problems aren't there. But when an indian manager gets hired or there becomes a critical mass of first Gen indian immigrants watch out, because the same cultural nonsense gets perpetuated out.

The worst part is I sometime see the sins of the parents in the 2nd generation children.

You want to see a perfect example of all this? Go to Ontario. It's practically India at this point right down to rampant street defecation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.india.com/viral/humans-star...

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by kelipso »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #83
bcheung wrote: post #40

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...seems even hirer with marriage. I've worked at Silicon Valley startups that were that way. I remember thinking this is really odd how high the concentration was (probably about 70% Indian). Didn't really bother me because it was a great team and honestly one of the best companies I worked at. It didn't really seem like they discriminated in hiring and I never felt discriminated against at work. It was just that co…

Some people will hit each other up for paid references. The guy doing the referral can get paid by the new hire and the company. Idk what threshold of acquaintance is enough for a referral, but the worst things you can imagine have been done and are even routine in some places.

Referrals are encouraged by internal recruiters in most companies...and they incentivize it with a few thousand dollars for a successful hire. Why are you making it sound so nefarious?
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