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Suno, an AI music generator
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Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#102The AI hype articles and people subsequently hyping up how good ${thing} will eventually be are, themselves, starting to feel like a type of grey sludge, like a more potent form of semantic satiation which washes over the entire brain.
I just can't get enough of that grey, training-data flavoured content. In years to come many of the top creators of this type of content will be creating content with this. This will democratise creation of this type of content for amateur content creators who will be creating wholly unique pieces of this content in seconds. How many years until we see a larger, personalised piece of this content created with this content generator in the place where people consume larger pieces of this content? Maybe this is actually how our brains work? But what _is_ intelligence? Made you think. Sure, it sucks now, but zero to one to infinity is how things work, it's going to be amazing. The letters are starting to blur together. Please invest.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, most commercialized music is formulaic, the only difference is that people had to be paid to record it. I think the biggest problem with AI generated stuff is that the I in AI is hype, these things can't create real novelty. They're a new, poorly understood form of compression. If creativity is left to these AIs then the music will sound the same in 20 years at best, or more likely, degrade/converge when…
Yes, but I imagine if you put a human inside a brain scanner, add a feedback loop that uses AI, then you can generate novel stuff with the human being used to just passively rate the output of the AI. You could build a small farm with humans, and generate novel commercial music.
> then you generate novel stuff
There's a lot you're glossing over here. That's the part that AI simply can't do.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, most commercialized music is formulaic, the only difference is that people had to be paid to record it. I think the biggest problem with AI generated stuff is that the I in AI is hype, these things can't create real novelty. They're a new, poorly understood form of compression. If creativity is left to these AIs then the music will sound the same in 20 years at best, or more likely, degrade/converge when…
Lots of art techniques-- e.g. a basic set of shapes to help draw heads with correct proportions-- are formulaic. That doesn't make them any less artistic than someone just throwing down marks based on their gut instinct. Music itself has been boiled down to a mathematical and artistic scaffolding that people have worked within for centuries. There are also a whole hell of a lot of creative decisions in between the sh…
Yeah, I think what it comes down to is AI can be another tool in the artist's toolbox to create novelty, but by itself it is incapable of doing so.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#105I have been playing with it for the last couple of weeks. I do a lot of traditional music production for fun and was wondering how I could use Suno together with Leonardo for video and then bring it all together in my existing tools. Here are some examples. I wrote the lyrics by hand and the music has been reinforced with my existing studio equipment. For me, that is where the gold is. Not replacing myself, but exten…
I've been listening to some Frank Sinatra AI made songs, youtube for the song "Frank Sinatra - where is my mind". It's originally a Pixies song but as as recreation with Frank Sinatra's voice is surprisingly good. I wonder what took to produce that, it seems like there's a lot more artistry than just prompting make a song by artist X as a cover for song Y of artist Z.
Oh that's a nice one. I think you are on to something that if you want to go beyond push button output you really need to think holistically about what you want to achieve.
My experiments taught me that it is an instrument that is easy to approach but hard to master right now at least.
It's kind of weird because you have to play it through writing text, which is super strange.
Everything I have done previously has been very in the moment with keyboards or guitars or whatever. With this I had to put a lot more thought in ahead of time, and try to put myself in the position of the generator and how it might take my prompts and convert them.
There is certainly quite some thinking that has to go on. How to describe the sound you are looking for is a little bit unusual.
I am finding it quite fascinating anyway, and I really believe it can be tasteful if done right and as the tools improve.
As far as covering specific artists, it isn't something I am attempting, it's more about the feel for me. I imagine people who do that have their own tricks and techniques.
As far as I know, Suno blocks any mention of specific artists. Probably you can jailbreak it, but I don't know about that.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#106This is really cool. Song: https://app.suno.ai/song/83680b6f-db37-44de-adf9-3f7fff6b79d... Prompt: A 90s hip-hop song with a male singer with a deep voice singing about how AI models are creating new songs after being trained on all the data of artists. Talks about AI models are stealing the show. Lyrics: [Verse] Step back, my friend, 'cause the future's here AI models spittin' rhymes, oh so clear (oh so clear) Train…
Wow’ that was neat.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#107Good for: wallpaper music for stores, youtubers, other library music consumers
Likely takeup by musicians: close to zero, although a few singers will use it for ready-made songs/backing tracks that they can warble over, and a very few of those will be good or distinctive as singers. The songs themselves won't stick because the output won't be copyrightable; talented singers will learn to write their own songs or get partnered with people who have a track record in the relevant genre.
All of these music AI products miss the mark because they generate mixes, instead of stems or MIDI. There's already a superfluity of music; nobody wants an infinity jukebox full of songs they don't know and have to learn. While the technical achievement is very impressive, it's notable that none of the founders in this story identify as musicians or exhibit any idea how to cater to them.
Fully AI (including vocal synthesis) may have a few individual breakouts but will be limited by two factors. One, most people using such tools will want something easy rather than challenging, so there will be more and more lowest-common-denominator dreck - already a problem in human-generated music. And I'm sorry, but that's what Suno churns out. I tried half a dozen prompts on a few different genres that I used to DJ and the results where all instant needle skips. I hope v3 lets you specify instrumental/no vocal because v2 just ignores that and churns out vapid filler. It's very technically impressive, I don't want to claim otherwise. But it's also utterly uninteresting.
Two, live performances won't be possible, and the world only has room for so many novelty acts like Hatsune Miku. The biggest market for virtual singers will be kids under 10 who want easily digestible music and don't value assortativity, but don't have much discretionary spending power and won't spend big on childhood nostalgia later.
Edit (based partly on others' comments): while I think this sort of tool is bad for creating interesting music, it's a fantastic core model for a game of Record Label Simulator where you play the person that writes big checks and you try to wheel and deal your stable of eager young talent to the top of the charts.
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
suno v3 actually generates some really good music. most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe.
> most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe. The biggest crime is copyrighting the best intro chord sequences in the 1960's, and since then everyone has to make slight variations or they would be called out for copying. We can't make good music today due to copyrights...
I hope this is a joke
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#109Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.
There is also music for other functions: entertainment, background, dancing. Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on the automatic pilot anyway. But I also find it an idiotic attempt. It doesn't inform us about anything, and it makes any idiot with a mouse think they can create. Instead, they're listening to music that's worse than what YouTube has to offe…
One example: I just used it to make a personalized birthday song in 30 min. At that, it works quite well (while it's still novel)
Re: Suno, an AI music generator
#110> We’re not trying to replace artists. They really messed up then, because that's literally all I can see using this tool for.
We're not trying to != we're trying not to
Reminds me of when Marge told Homer not to eat the pie while she was gone, and Homer says "All right, pie, I'm just going to go like this [makes chewing motion with mouth while moving toward pie] and if you get eaten, its your own fault!"
We're not trying replace artists, but we're going sell a product whose only conceivable function is to more cheaply do the things artists do, and if they get replaced, it's not our fault!