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Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

#101

The real wikipedia renders (perfectly!) without javascript. This does not render at all without javascript. Not an alternative.

Not an alternative for you maybe, but a fine alternative for over 99% of the rest of the world running javascript in their browser.

Wikipedia is one of the few initiatives where not being satisfied with 99% accessibility is absolutely warranted. If your goal is to dethrone it, you have to bite that bullet.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

#102

The real wikipedia renders (perfectly!) without javascript. This does not render at all without javascript. Not an alternative.

It doesn't even run on mobile because the sidebar takes up all the space and the main content is squeezed to the side. Even more disappointing to learn that what is essentially a static webpage doesn't render without JavaScript. This is not going anywhere with that kind of attitude (not testing on mobile, relying 100% on JavaScript).

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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post #28

I do not understand how federation is going to solve the problems mentioned in the homepage. Surely it is going to make them 10x worse, right? The same incidents can happen, but it becomes impossible to moderate the content.

Moderation is not a feature; it is a limitation imposed by powers that be for you if you want to conduct business. Moderation is not a feature.

Some say moderation is the only feature

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

#104
> Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales made extensive edits to the article about himself, removing mentions of co-founder Larry Sanger.

As if the constant begging for donations they don't need and the shithole that is Fandom wans't enough to lower my opinion of ol Jimmy.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

#105
post #97

How long will it take before all of the content on wikipedia is kanged onto this site? I mean, the license explicitly allows that kind of thing.

If I were attempting to create a less "captured" Wikipedia alternative that's what I would do - start from there and try to keep it synchronized while hacking at it slowly, instead of taking a from-scratch approach.

There have been many Wikipedia forks, but all have failed, because 99% of the work is in doing uncontroversial stuff that most people are fine with, and 1% is in controversial "captured" areas. If you fork the whole thing in the hope that you can fix the 1%, you will have to find a way to do the 99% bit.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A federated version of Wikipedia wouldn't displace the centralized Wikipedia (for the same reason that Wikipedia didn't exactly replace traditional encyclopedias), but it has a potential to supplement everything else, and I believe it's worthwhile enough.

Wikipedia displaced traditional encyclopedias. The number of encyclopedias produced in Finnish fell from ~10 to 1 in the last two decades, that one being fiwiki. The same is true for many languages. What once was a normal thing middle-class families kept in a vitrine is now something old-fashioned and rare. There are no physical copies being printed nor online versions accessible and actively edited. There were onlin…

As I've mentioned in other comments, that's not directly related to the rise of Wikipedia because most people no longer read encyclopedias in the way they used to decades ago. I have a counterexample as well; major encyclopedias and dictionaries in Korea are kept alive by portal websites nowadays, but these portals never tried to adopt kowiki instead. (I was one of earlier administrators in kowiki during that transition period, if you wonder.) A better hypothesis for Finnish would therefore be a lack of such sponsors to keep them alive, and that would be completely orthogonal to the existence or absence of fiwiki.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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post #28

I do not understand how federation is going to solve the problems mentioned in the homepage. Surely it is going to make them 10x worse, right? The same incidents can happen, but it becomes impossible to moderate the content.

The problems mentioned aren't even real problems: - jimbo making CoI edits. He got caught, and edits were reviewed for appropriateness. System worked as it was supposed to - college drop out on arbcom (for those not in the know, arbcom is kind of like an internal court to solve user disputes. They are not allowed to solve content disputes or say what an article should say, only user behaviour problems). How is that a…

> jimbo making CoI edits. He got caught

I mean he made the edits under his own name, not sure there's much to "catch" there. This made it sound like he was editing via a sockpuppet.

Re: Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative

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https://github.com/Nutomic/ibis#federation > applying all associated edits in order. Instances can synchronize their articles with each other, and follow each other to receive updates about articles. Edits are done with diffs which are generated on the backend, and allow for conflict resolution similar to git. I somehow got the impression that CRDT was stand of the art in multiple edits to a common document, and sinc…

CRDTs are cool for tiny concurrent edits. For example two people typing on one line. But it doesn't save you when you get large conflicting edits. No system can automatically merge instance A removing a sentence and instance B adding some words within the that sentence. It's still the user that will have to make a decision. And at that point, you're effectively looking at a git style 3-way merge.
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