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Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by CoastalCoder »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #92
jwildeboer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The captain has been quoted with that info of loss of instrumentation and that is on the avherald page. Avherald is quite known for only handing out vetted information, so I do trust this to be true.

From what I've read - a person is claiming the captain said. The captain himself hasn't explicitly admitted to anything yet.

There's always a judgement call regarding how skeptical to be about others' claims.

Sounds like you and GP are just drawing the line at different places.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

johnny_canuck wrote: post #13

Reminds me of this Air Canada flight years ago where the pilot confused Venus with an oncoming plane. https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/travel/canada-disoriented-pil...

It isn't all that far-fetched, really. Venus is the brightest object in the night sky after the Moon.

... as to _how_ bright it can be - I was once in an area with dark skies, setting up my telescope just before sunset. After dark, I was taking in the beauty of the Cigar Galaxy and then looked up and behind from the scope. My eyes were assaulted by a bright light on the top of the hill behind, and I was cursing the idiot who had turned that light on, when I realized that it was Jupiter, freshly risen above the hill. Jupiter is not as bright as Venus.

On that night, Venus, had it been visible, would've been blindingly brilliant. Flying 10 Km above the ground, with no light pollution, I'm not surprised that the Pilot mistook Venus for an aircraft headlight.

Edit: clarity

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by someguyihope »

colordrops wrote: post #90
ceejayoz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free-fall isn't zero-gravity, and anyone who observes the five-second rule has had a similar experience.

Yes it is, didn't Einstein say that gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable

"Zero-g" is different to "zero gravity". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlessness

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by ceejayoz »

colordrops wrote: post #90
ceejayoz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free-fall isn't zero-gravity, and anyone who observes the five-second rule has had a similar experience.

Yes it is, didn't Einstein say that gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable

In free-fall, the object is primarily being accelerated by gravity.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

jwildeboer wrote: post #15

Not turbulence related. Plane (Boeing 787-9) lost instrumentation according to the captain, followed by rapid loss of altitude. When instrumentation came back, flight continued to a safe landing. 12 people were sent to hospital. S always, see avherald.com for the most reliable, non-speculative info.

I disagree, the physics of large planes make extreme movements on the plane's z-axis like this via just it's control surfaces near impossible. All the control surfaces can really do is tilt the plane, which in absolute terms will change verticality but relative to the plane is still a longitudinal acceleration. The only thing that can overwhelm the momentum of something with the mass of a small building fast enough to cause injury like this is turbulence.

That being said having the plane lose instruments from the turbulence is a major problem that needs to be fixed

Edit: Rereading the article I did notice a passenger comment about the plane going in a nosedive, which would match the scenarios the others below me have replied with that dont involve turbulence. Always thought the airframe couldn't survive actively maneuvering at such extremes on big jets like that, guess I was wrong.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by Aardwolf »

enlyth wrote: post #74
lm28469 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the same reason people don't use seatbelts in buses, I'm very often the only one wearing a seatbelt when I travel by bus I've seen aftermath videos and photos, I'm not taking my chances

Interesting, I've never seen a bus with seat belts

The first few rows of seats sometimes have those, but not all the rows after that

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by pc86 »

notpeter wrote: post #65
AlexandrB wrote: post #34

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NH doesn't get enough credit for how weird it is. Between the state motto, the lack of sales or income tax, and stuff like this seatbelt rule it's like we're talking about a totally different country.

I also like their Automated License Plate Reader (ALPR) record retention period (3 minutes): > Records of number plates read by each LPR shall not be recorded or transmitted anywhere and shall be purged from the system within 3 minutes of their capture in such a manner that they are destroyed and are not recoverable, unless an alarm resulted in an arrest, a citation, or protective custody, or identified a vehicle tha…

This seems absolutely reasonable. Keep the data about people who have committed or you can reasonably suspect might be committing a crime, get rid of the identifiable information for law-abiding citizens and maybe keep the aggregated metadata.

This should be the standard IMO.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by millebe »

lostlogin wrote: post #62
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the half dozen (European) airlines I’ve flown, it’s always been “seatbelts are recommended at all times”. Never a requirement.

Surely required on takeoff/landing?

14 CFR 121.311(b)

Except as provided in this paragraph, each person on board an airplane operated under this part shall occupy an approved seat or berth with a separate safety belt properly secured about him or her during movement on the surface, takeoff, and landing.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/part-121/section-121.3...

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by bloomingeek »

ztetranz wrote: post #67
AlexandrB wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NH doesn't get enough credit for how weird it is. Between the state motto, the lack of sales or income tax, and stuff like this seatbelt rule it's like we're talking about a totally different country.

The other thing about cars in NH is that insurance is optional. I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance drives over the border into a neighboring state. I asked a lawyer friend once and he mumbled something about interstate commerce making it legal. I'm not how that debate would go when stopped by a cop in MA and asked to show proof of insurance.

In my state, the arm pit of America, OKLA, auto insurance is mandatory. However, a certain amount of my fellow citizens treat it as optional.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by jwildeboer »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #92
jwildeboer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The captain has been quoted with that info of loss of instrumentation and that is on the avherald page. Avherald is quite known for only handing out vetted information, so I do trust this to be true.

From what I've read - a person is claiming the captain said. The captain himself hasn't explicitly admitted to anything yet.

This is what avherald writes in their report (as of now, 2024-03-11 14:20 CET): "The captain later said they had briefly lost their instrumentation, then it came back all of the sudden."
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