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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by dylan604 »

rudedogg wrote: post #85
maipen wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from their spectacular laptops with arm, they seem like they are being left behind. Vision Pro is probably a gimmick along with the whole VR world right now, which will change soon too but overall I don't see anything exciting about apple. Their pricing is infuriating and so are their decisions (laptop 8gb ram in 2024???) To me it looks like they got stuck in the "this is what worked for us, so let's only do th…

I’m a mac user at home, and I don’t get their AI story/path now that they’re not supporting AMD/Nvidia GPUs since the Apple Silicon transition. Maybe they’ll manage to get LLMs running well locally with the new low-bit developments? Not my area. But for training/learning it seems like Apple is DOA. They have the same problem as AMD, no one is doing research with their hardware or software. Intentionally shipping low…

I think you are looking at a very narrow use case and deciding that because they do not make a system you'd be happy with for your niche use that they are DOA. Someone selling just under 6.5 million units of anything seems like the opposite of dead to me. Are there vendors selling more? Of course, but there are also vendors selling less. Not every Mac user cares about AI and training or fine tuning a local LLM.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by adastra22 »

usr1106 wrote: post #77
terhechte wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in the U.S. business owners have the right to refuse service or turn away a customer to protect their patrons and business. That's the issue with all these providers. Every couple of weeks there's a story from someone whose Google account was suddenly closed with no way to access their emails or pictures again.

Yes, and that's why monopolies must die, in practice desolved by governments. Once you buy a smartphone today you and everybody who wants to do further business with you are at the mercy of a monopolist. For Apple 100%, for Google only 98% because you could side-load. But not a secure and practical solution today.

I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by justin66 »

nonameiguess wrote: post #91
marcinzm wrote: post #27

> And the minimal assurances in Mr. Sweeney’s curt response were swiftly undercut by a litany of public attacks on Apple’s policies, compliance plan, and business model. So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.

As was said, this is normal in the US. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There's that paint color that is allowed to be used by all but one person because the inventor doesn't like them. On the other hand, I'm definitely not saying this is okay or sane just because it's standard practice in the US. It's also how we got legalized segregation and we had to pass laws carving out exceptions…

> Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason.

There are enough really obvious counterexamples to that statement that I wonder why you'd write it.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by Kon-Peki »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #29
beejiu wrote: post #23

What's the catch? (Given they tried to destroy PWAs in their last tantrum.)

No catch, just the threat of "and if you keep trying to violate EU law, we're going to keep levying billion dollar fines on you until you either obey the law, or you cease all operations in Europe. Which will get you sued some more because you're still on the hook for support after you leave"

> “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.”

It's more like the EC told both sides to get some adults in the room and work it out. Since they clearly didn't force Apple to change any rules and Epic agreed to follow Apple's rules, I have no idea where all this chest-beating is coming from. Apple is still winning and the EC is still feckless.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by zimpenfish »

dylan604 wrote: post #88
zer00eyz wrote: post #80

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Yeah, the fact that Epic is the one makes it really hard to care. They really need a better standard bearer. It's kind of like watching ManU play Chelsea. I'd be really happy if both teams could lose.

> like watching ManU play Chelsea. I'd be really happy if both teams could lose.

Given the way both teams are playing this season, I wouldn't be surprised if they managed that.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by ziddoap »

lozenge wrote: post #43
anonymouse008 wrote: post #15

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm asking this earnestly. Where does this command over hardware (USB-C mandate), software (sideloading/AppStore), and prices (recent 2bn decision) end?

Where does the command over minimum wages, minimum maternity leave and minimum consumer warranty end? Where democracy decides it ends.

Apple is in the wrong here, at least in my opinion, but equating the ability to have a 2nd app store on your iPhone and the end of democracy is... wow.

Edit: Misread the comment, sorry.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by spacedcowboy »

astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

According to the article it was because Epic met with Apple and gave better assurances that they'd play ball rather than deliberately break their contract like they did last time.

Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it.

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So what changed? Apple tells 9to5Mac that it has held further discussions with Epic. The result is that Apple has received proper commitment that Epic will play by the rules as legally defined.

“Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.”

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by rchaud »

dylan604 wrote: post #88
zer00eyz wrote: post #80

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Yeah, the fact that Epic is the one makes it really hard to care. They really need a better standard bearer. It's kind of like watching ManU play Chelsea. I'd be really happy if both teams could lose.

Every company benefits from not being beholden to the App Store and Apple's sales tax. I couldn't care less that Epic is not a perfect messenger, as long as Apple gets the message.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by subw00f »

adastra22 wrote: post #102
usr1106 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and that's why monopolies must die, in practice desolved by governments. Once you buy a smartphone today you and everybody who wants to do further business with you are at the mercy of a monopolist. For Apple 100%, for Google only 98% because you could side-load. But not a secure and practical solution today.

I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

Yeah, duopoly is a better word.
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