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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by immibis »

toast0 wrote: post #97
JackSlateur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes You just have to believe that, on the scale on AWS, 1Mbps in Europe costs 0.08$ (includes the transit, the hardware, the people etc). This includes every networking parts : do not forget the switches and stuff : VPC are free, and intra-zone network is free. Someone must pay, so it is sane to assume that "someone" is partly cross-region, partly internet egress, partly cross-zone. Don't forget the R&D that revolves…

That number sounds in the ballpark. There's a bunch of providers in Europe that will give you a whole server for €50/month with unmetered 1gbps networking. Or, as I like to consider it, €50/month for 1 gbps networking, and you get a free server. Yeah, their networks may not have as much complexity and features as AWS, but I've never found any of that complexity appealing. Keep your network simple and let your hosts d…

Do remember this isn't the cost of an actual unmetered 1Gbps, just the part they expect you to use on average. I know Hetzner is pretty generous, but some people have been asked to reduce their bandwidth after using 250TB/month consistently for several months (that's about an actual fully utilized 1Gbps).

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

alexdns wrote: post #41
Hamuko wrote: post #37

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My personal AWS account is just for storing some archive files in S3, which incurs a $0.02/month bill and which Amazon can't be bothered to charge.

Its not that they are not bothered to charge its just that cc processing fees are higher than what you are being billed. It will accumulate and they will charge it when it reaches a certain amount

Backblaze must be similar.

I only have ~80 GB stored, and rather than being charged 44 cents per month, I'm being charged 88 cents every 2 months.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by Falimonda »

Lucasoato wrote: post #33

If AWS cut most of the egress fees, not only by asking to their support, that would be the greatest thing ever happening in the cloud computing space. A lot of multi-cloud architectures are unlikely to be designed because the egress fees are killing them. Imagine if we could host some of the infra in AWS, using S3, but keeping some machines on Hetzner, while calling other APIs hosted in azure… one day it will happen…

Can you reference where it says that regular, day-to-day egress between clouds is going to be covered by this recent change? All the articles I've found so far imply that this free egress will be granted on a case-by-case basis, for egress that is not considered operational data, but rather explicitly for migrating out of AWS for the purpose of terminating your relationship with AWS.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by ralphist »

easton wrote: post #62
ralphist wrote: post #59

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So the lambda function will survive, but billing will still go to zero when the lambda's last execution finishes, right?

The function would be destroyed (guessing running instances would finish their handlers and then no longer be accessible) but the log group it created would still be present, holding logs from the dead function.

That sounds stupid, thanks. Guess I'll be careful when I set up lambdas.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by pm90 »

Justsignedup wrote: post #95
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #86

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That, friends, is a "tell". It shows they know they are raking people over the coals with intentional, preconceived illegal anticompetitive behavior written into their documentation. Right from the playbook, they have a sweet marketing wrapup for when they have to walk back their preconceived illegal behavior to the minimum directed border. Tech corps especially now do this as standard operating procedure (I mean Ube…

The other comment mentioned how google didn't even acknowledge why they did it. I have to say, talking to AWS and GCP, the AWS marketing, onboarding, and support arm are far far far far far superior to google's. In fact they are so far apart that our management has blatantly discarded google as even an option for moving our infra over because of how terrible our interactions have been. I'm all for de-throning the kin…

Can you give specific examples of what was lacking? Ive only had positive experiences with GCP.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by JackSlateur »

toast0 wrote: post #97
JackSlateur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes You just have to believe that, on the scale on AWS, 1Mbps in Europe costs 0.08$ (includes the transit, the hardware, the people etc). This includes every networking parts : do not forget the switches and stuff : VPC are free, and intra-zone network is free. Someone must pay, so it is sane to assume that "someone" is partly cross-region, partly internet egress, partly cross-zone. Don't forget the R&D that revolves…

That number sounds in the ballpark. There's a bunch of providers in Europe that will give you a whole server for €50/month with unmetered 1gbps networking. Or, as I like to consider it, €50/month for 1 gbps networking, and you get a free server. Yeah, their networks may not have as much complexity and features as AWS, but I've never found any of that complexity appealing. Keep your network simple and let your hosts d…

Average is playing here : you pay 50€/mo for 1gbps, and takes into account that most people won't use 1Gbps

It is the same for home internet connections : the offers is defined by the average use.

AWS and friends, on the other side, do not care about averages, and avoid you that burden too : what matter is how much you consumed, not "when" or "how" you consumed int

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by pgwhalen »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #35

> Over 90 percent of our customers already incur no data transfer expenses out of AWS because we provide 100 gigabytes per month free from AWS Regions to the internet. Damn, that's a lot of tiny customers. 100 GB per month is less than what many use on their phone during a month. So basically, most people using AWS is definitely people who don't need it to scale.

> So basically, most people using AWS is definitely people who don't need it to scale.

This is what we would expect, right? Surely the huge majority of AWS users are small and wouldn't have the slightest interest in owning/managing their own hardware.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by Justsignedup »

pm90 wrote: post #105
Justsignedup wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other comment mentioned how google didn't even acknowledge why they did it. I have to say, talking to AWS and GCP, the AWS marketing, onboarding, and support arm are far far far far far superior to google's. In fact they are so far apart that our management has blatantly discarded google as even an option for moving our infra over because of how terrible our interactions have been. I'm all for de-throning the kin…

Can you give specific examples of what was lacking? Ive only had positive experiences with GCP.

We want to migrate to it:

"Okay cool! We'll sign you up! Good luck!"

vs

"We have a migration strategy, and partners who can help you lift-and-ship or at least consult to get you a lay of the land. Try these companies and see if you're interested, and we'll help you along the way."

Google is -- thanks for reaching out, you can certainly sign up and figure it all out, here's a few books!

Amazon -- things are complex, and here's a few books to read, but I know you don't have a few years so here's some people who know how to do this, and we've ironed out how most companies succeed in migrating. Also he's a ton of incentive to move to amazon-exclusive services.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by uptownfunk »

bklyn11201 wrote: post #96
ckdarby wrote: post #82

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I think AWS doesn't truly care. They've probably internally planned for the day when egress cost billing would be chipped away and have been planning. It is a total cash cow and huge boast on margins for them, but they've been taking that money over the years and diversifying into managed services. The managed services are expensive, but boy do they work well. Over the last couple years been running +100 each of mana…

Exactly correct. AWS has a giant suite of services, and if they are forced to reduce egress charges, they would raise prices on other services to keep their margins consistent. The market knows this and thus why the market doesn't react to non-news like this. An interesting question: why does AWS charge so much for egress knowing that it could dissuade some currently-on-prem use cases? It definitely forces optimizati…

Because eventually there is no difference in managed service from gcp oci msft, so when data egress cost doesn’t matter you can use any providers service. The margins will get worn away since there’s no longer high switching cost.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by amluto »

bombcar wrote: post #100
switch007 wrote: post #38

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It’s rare for large companies to immediately comply with the spirit of the law. See EU261 for example - airlines were dragged kicking and screaming through the courts over many years. Amazon’s behaviour isn’t surprising, but you’re not wrong to call it out

Part of the problem (and why laws have to be used) is that the companies want all the other companies to do the same change at the same time. If you do it early, you're at a disadvantage (unless you can market it heavily, which usually only is if you're the small player already).

Really?

If AWS unilaterally cut egress fees 100x, then a few things might happen:

GCP and Azure customers might migrate to AWS or have very serious phone calls with their account reps. (Hmm, GCP customers might be unable to reach an account rep.)

Third party providers, who are currently stuck in AWS, GCP and Azure because their customers can’t afford egress if they move out, will consider alternative hosting. This is IMO a big one, but it has nothing to do with whether GCP and Azure play along.

Some customers might shut down their colocated systems and move into AWS.

Why is being first a problem?

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