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I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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So he's been sleeping in an uncomfortable plastic chair with the lights on for the past year. The things you can do while you're still 17.

There are some sleeper trains still in Germany - although you need to pay a supplement on top of the annual train-ticket to use them. It would limit you quite heavily to certain transport coridors though.

Here's a handy map for night trains

https://nachtzugkarte.de/

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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So he have nothing, no home, no more belongings that a suitcase and a laptop, the ideal SLAVE of the modern time, someone who exists until he can produce for someone else, who effectively own him, then can only die since he have no more option to live. And the article seems to be a spot for this kind of existence "hey, it's cheap"... I'm actually curious how many really have stopped a minute to imaging what does it m…

The opposite? Isn’t the person who needs to maintain a home and have lots of possessions more of a slave?

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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post #83

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With 850€/month you can pay rent (a small apartment for one person) and bills in more or less half of Germany, same for France. The average net after tax have no meaning in this context.

True, it doesn’t. But the average rent in Germany is 780€/mo without heating, electricity or internet. So realistically people spend on average a 1000€/mo on living. Realistically this living on a train thing isn’t a sustainable lifestyle, but it certainly is a fun adventure

If people spend 1k/mo on average it means it is totally possible to spend 850. As I said it is possible to spend 850 or even less in a half of the country. Average, average, average... what an average world.

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships. Maybe this is fine for a while, but people need people (not just text in a chatroom), and I hope he has an exit strategy from this lifestyle, for this reason.

Even in Germany, a software dev with a burn rate of 10k a year must be seriously in profit each month. Buy index funds on payday and he has a wide variety of exiting strategies available.

He is self employed and 17 years old. I don’t think he making quite as much as some might imagine.

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships. Maybe this is fine for a while, but people need people (not just text in a chatroom), and I hope he has an exit strategy from this lifestyle, for this reason.

>Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships

Probably as well as the average not-train dwelling person:

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connect...

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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post #62

Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships. Maybe this is fine for a while, but people need people (not just text in a chatroom), and I hope he has an exit strategy from this lifestyle, for this reason.

I wonder more how he keeps his clothes and underwear clean :)

Every sizable city has a couple of laundromats with washers and dryers. He probably has a favorite one he just travels to once a week.

In a pinch he could hand-wash them, but I imagine drying might be an issue with that.

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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All fine and good, I hope he likes it but €10k is a lot of money to live more or less like a beggar. With €10k/y you can afford a house+food+bills in most of Europe and in many places it is way cheaper than that. So... yeah, I find it incredibly stupid.

No, you really really can't afford a house with 10K euros/year anywhere in europe even eastern europe. I live in EE, rent a 30m^2 studio, costs around 3K a year (just rent + utilities).

I live in one of the cheapest countries in EE.

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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So he have nothing, no home, no more belongings that a suitcase and a laptop, the ideal SLAVE of the modern time, someone who exists until he can produce for someone else, who effectively own him, then can only die since he have no more option to live. And the article seems to be a spot for this kind of existence "hey, it's cheap"... I'm actually curious how many really have stopped a minute to imaging what does it m…

Is a home and belongings enough to emancipate a slave?

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Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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He can visit relatives and friends whenever he feels like, no matter how far away they might be. Breakfast in Berlin, Dinner in München. His exit strategy is probably the same as mine, his bedroom at mom and pop’s hotel

It's not just about seeing people. It's about having deep connections and shared experiences. Eg: one of his friends has a life crisis and just needs to talk to someone. Are they going to hop on a train and track this guy down, or will they go see one of their other friends? So he will miss out being the person someone turns to, and these are the defining moments for long lasting friendships. Again, probably fine for…

Is this train thing really different from the average "digital nomad"?

They too are away from their old standing friends, and since they are usually not intending to stay forever in the country they stay in, they're probably not investing in any deep connections there either.

In fact, given the huge loneliness/isolation trends, he is probably not that different to the average stationary person in this regard either.

Re: I spend £8,500 a year to live on a train

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> €10k/y you can afford a house+food+bills in most of Europe I don’t see how that can be true if you want to live alone. Maybe in some of the poorer countries outside the EU.

Bulgaria's GDP per capita is €13,305/year (€1108.75/month), and the average net salary is €10,440/year (€870/month), so it's definitely possible if you're the kind of person who is willing to be arbitrarily ridiculous[0] with this kind of thing. [0] For one thing, сигурно ще трябва да научиш български, which doesn't sound like a great use of time.

Even in Bulgaria 10K euros per year isn't going to get one a whole house + utilities + living expenses(food etc).
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