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An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

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Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#101

Don't really need a study for something you can figure out fairly easily on your own. I tried to smoke and program probably 3 times and results were always the same. Significantly less productive. Started working on tasks not aligned with larger goal. Had many ideas that seemed amazing at the time and later found out to be dumb. In that sense it is creative enhancement in that you consider more idea, but just in gene…

> The real question is: How do I use cannabis correctly? What can it actually do for you?

Excellent questions, and I think this is the right way to approach this substance: as a scientific inquiry, not a vice to feel ashamed of, or a godsend magic substance that solves all problems.

> smoking once every 2 months has net benefit

Strong agree. Specifically, what I've observed is after long periods of productivity with the brain "loaded" with a lot of context, a joint can help uncover lateral connections and find new perspectives and approaches. However when the brain is "empty" as on a Monday morning, smoking is just counter-productive, since there are no connections to be made, no new perspectives to be had, and the lateral thinking just means loss of productivity (focus on the wrong things).

The fundamental difficulty is with the "once" part of the plan. It's very easy to stay in the smoking loop after the first day of use (get the relief constantly like you say), and it can turn into a week of use. For many people, the risk of losing weeks to substance use loop + one more week to get back to baseline mood might end up as net negative, despite the initial benefits.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#102

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I was friends with John Draper (Captain Crunch) in the 1970s. But never as close a friend as he wanted me to be! (Anyone who knew John or the stories about him may know what I am referring to.) He usually had some decent pot, so when I ran out, I would sometimes visit him at his Berkeley apartment and we would smoke and do some Forth hacking. I never heard about the "nine-N instruction" though. I ran into John again…

You and I discussed this before -- the phrase Draper used was "Let's execute some 1802 instructions". And yes he creepily and obnoxiously insisted on back exercises with me too. Yech! Beware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair Back in the days of the SFRaves scene, I and others would always keep some tobacco on us a "John Draper Repellent" in case he saddled up and tried to schmooze some weed. https://news.y…

Don, thank you for the trip down memory lane! I had forgotten about the "1802 instructions".

I like that John Draper Repellent idea. You don't even have to smoke it, just the sight of the Evil Weed should do the trick.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

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> In terms of programming, LeetCode is quite likely to be harder than your day job. It's orthogonal to your day job. The "cruft" you talk about is how we remove ambiguity and fill in details so that work isn't a series of free-floating gedanken experiments. If you're able to apply codified knowledge like LeetCode to a programming task it means someone else has already done the heavy lifting. We "lost touch" with DSA…

That's great and all, but this is quite irrelevant conjecture, you can argue your point all you want, it does not matter to me. I don't care about what you do, and I probably never will. The research performed in this study is relevant, and no one so far has demonstrated that it is "misleading", "bad or poor quality research", or really anything to demonstrate to me that it's results are questionable, going back to t…

I was expanding on your point, not disagreeing with it.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

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This is a thinly veiled marxist-style call for collective class action. Aka unionising. I think it’s more dignifying to assume that ppl are capable of judging for themselves whether the solution to a shitty job is getting high, or quitting- without the socialist indoctrination, which is designed to benefit the political leaders who try to galvanise revolutions. Those revolutions typically devolve into unhinged violen…

If I wanted to make a marxist-style call for collective action, there’d be nothing “thinly veiled” about it. What I was actually suggesting is that people should, in fact, decide for themselves; and that employers should reap the consequences of those decisions. It sounds like you’ve mistaken me for someone you’ve been arguing with elsewhere. Maybe my comment vaguely resembles a fight you’ve been having before, but y…

It was the tone you used. Your post had strong statements like

> employers need to feel the negative consequences of their behavior. Their business needs to suffer

This is not merely encouraging personal autonomy. It’s the prescription of political action. It’s dialectical materialism. Could be a strange coincidence.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

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post #104

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If I wanted to make a marxist-style call for collective action, there’d be nothing “thinly veiled” about it. What I was actually suggesting is that people should, in fact, decide for themselves; and that employers should reap the consequences of those decisions. It sounds like you’ve mistaken me for someone you’ve been arguing with elsewhere. Maybe my comment vaguely resembles a fight you’ve been having before, but y…

It was the tone you used. Your post had strong statements like > employers need to feel the negative consequences of their behavior. Their business needs to suffer This is not merely encouraging personal autonomy. It’s the prescription of political action. It’s dialectical materialism. Could be a strange coincidence.

Well, if all it takes to be a marxist is suggesting that people take individual action to change a socially undesirable situation, I guess I’m a marxist.

But I mean with definitions that broad, who wouldn’t be? I guess it’s useful for trying to shut down conversation, but I’m not sure what other utility it holds.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#106
post #104

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It was the tone you used. Your post had strong statements like > employers need to feel the negative consequences of their behavior. Their business needs to suffer This is not merely encouraging personal autonomy. It’s the prescription of political action. It’s dialectical materialism. Could be a strange coincidence.

Well, if all it takes to be a marxist is suggesting that people take individual action to change a socially undesirable situation, I guess I’m a marxist. But I mean with definitions that broad, who wouldn’t be? I guess it’s useful for trying to shut down conversation, but I’m not sure what other utility it holds.

But you didn’t suggest individual action. You set out objectives which can only succeed if enough ppl coordinate to do it. It’s the prototypical socialist revolution and it’s useful to know where that path can lead.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

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I'm the farthest thing from a pot advocate there is, but if you imagine saying this about antidepressants it sounds kinda silly.

Well; I’m inclined to agree that my comment would indeed sound silly if you simply substituted antidepressants for pot. But in my mind that’s because it’s comparing apples to oranges. I just don’t see how they are comparable.

You’re not going to believe it: https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-ma...

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#108
post #106

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Well, if all it takes to be a marxist is suggesting that people take individual action to change a socially undesirable situation, I guess I’m a marxist. But I mean with definitions that broad, who wouldn’t be? I guess it’s useful for trying to shut down conversation, but I’m not sure what other utility it holds.

But you didn’t suggest individual action. You set out objectives which can only succeed if enough ppl coordinate to do it. It’s the prototypical socialist revolution and it’s useful to know where that path can lead.

> But you didn’t suggest individual action. You set out objectives which can only succeed if enough ppl coordinate to do it.

I suggested individual action; you attached success criteria to it that support your weirdly strong desire to paint me as a marxist.

Now, I don’t know why you’re so adamant on it, but that’s your business I guess. I think it’s kinda weird honestly.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#109
post #107

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Well; I’m inclined to agree that my comment would indeed sound silly if you simply substituted antidepressants for pot. But in my mind that’s because it’s comparing apples to oranges. I just don’t see how they are comparable.

You’re not going to believe it: https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-ma...

Why are you so obsessed with trying to tie my comments to marxism? That’s deeply odd.

Re: An observational study of programming and cannabis intoxication

#110

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I'm the farthest thing from a pot advocate there is, but if you imagine saying this about antidepressants it sounds kinda silly.

Well; I’m inclined to agree that my comment would indeed sound silly if you simply substituted antidepressants for pot. But in my mind that’s because it’s comparing apples to oranges. I just don’t see how they are comparable.

But you weren’t talking about pot. You were talking about people treating their work related depression and stress being a bad thing because it enables their employer to depress and stress them. At least, that was the message I got.
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