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Re: Mistral Large

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Post by behnamoh »

michaelt wrote: post #47
pradn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this a problem? So many companies have been founded around premium versions of open-source products. It's good that they've even given us as much as they have. They have to make the economics work somehow.

It's not a problem from a moral perspective or anything - we all know these models are very expensive to create. However, from a marketing perspective - think of who the users of an open model are. They're people who, for one reason or another, don't want to use OpenAI's APIs. When selling a hosted API to a group predominantly comprised of people who reject hosted APIs - you've got to expect some push back.

This. Also, at least be upfront with users about motives. OpenAI stopped claiming to be "open" about 2-3 years ago. That's fine—at least I know they're not pro-OSS.

But Mistral has been marketing itself as the underdog competitor whose offerings are on par with gpt-3.5-turbo and even gpt-4, while being pro-OSS.

Lies, damn lies.

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by mtremsal »

loudmax wrote: post #44
syntaxing wrote: post #14

Interesting, I didn’t know they had le chat. I’ve been wanting a chatgpt competitor with mistral. Also love the fact they put “le” in front of their products

Cute, but "le chat" literally means "the cat". I presume most young Francophones who are likely to actually use Mistral will pronounce it in Franglais as "le tchatte".

In the top-left corner, when using dark mode, they call it "le chat noir", i.e. the black cat. :)

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by Terretta »

tempusalaria wrote: post #88
WiSaGaN wrote: post #66

Changelog is also updated: [1] Feb. 26, 2024 API endpoints: We renamed 3 API endpoints and added 2 model endpoints. open-mistral-7b (aka mistral-tiny-2312): renamed from mistral-tiny. The endpoint mistral-tiny will be deprecated in three months. open-mixtral-8x7B (aka mistral-small-2312): renamed from mistral-small. The endpoint mistral-small will be deprecated in three months. mistral-small-latest (aka mistral-small…

The change in endpoint name is a strong suggestion that there will be few if any open models going forwards from mistral. It’s a clear move towards the default being closed. Disappointing but I guess unsurprising.

> change in endpoint name is a strong suggestion that there will be few if any open models going forwards

From deeper in the page, unclear whether this confirms your point:

We’re simplifying our endpoint offering to provide the following:

- Open-weight endpoints with competitive pricing. This comprises open-mistral-7B and open-mixtral-8x7b.

- New optimised model endpoints, mistral-small-2402 and mistral-large-2402. We’re maintaining mistral-medium, which we are not updating today.

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by [deleted] »

loudmax wrote: post #44
syntaxing wrote: post #14

Interesting, I didn’t know they had le chat. I’ve been wanting a chatgpt competitor with mistral. Also love the fact they put “le” in front of their products

Cute, but "le chat" literally means "the cat". I presume most young Francophones who are likely to actually use Mistral will pronounce it in Franglais as "le tchatte".

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Re: Mistral Large

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Post by rpozarickij »

I can't stop finding such intense competition between the world's top experts in a single area truly fascinating.

I wonder whether witnessing the space race felt similar. It's just that now we have more players and the effort is much more decentralized.

And maybe the amount of resources used is comparable too..

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by HPsquared »

zozbot234 wrote: post #50
HPsquared wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially as the model weights are literally a huge opaque binary blob. Much more opaque than even assembly code. There is plenty of precedent for what "open source" means, and these aren't it. Edit: not that I mind all that much what they're actually doing, it's just the misuse of the word that bristles.

Open source means "the preferred version for modification" and this fits with model weights since you can fine tune them with your own data. Modifying raw training data would be quite unwieldly and pointless.

It's possible to modify binary executables; doesn't make them open-source.

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by root_axis »

rntc wrote: post #2

Looks like open-source is just a marketing tool for AI companies before they have a good enough model to sell. I guess we have to look for what Meta is going to do with LlaMA 3.

What's the alternative?

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by wruza »

behnamoh wrote: post #35
causal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're genuinely getting value from the open-source versions, how is that "falling for" anything?

> If you're genuinely getting value from the open-source versions, ... This is only true until the closed-source service they offer is inevitable.

I don't see how my local models could stop working once someone offers closed-source services.

Re: Mistral Large

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Post by samstave »

mtremsal wrote: post #102
loudmax wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cute, but "le chat" literally means "the cat". I presume most young Francophones who are likely to actually use Mistral will pronounce it in Franglais as "le tchatte".

In the top-left corner, when using dark mode, they call it "le chat noir", i.e. the black cat. :)

They must have changed something in the matrix.
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