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New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by wyclif »

valval wrote: post #42

Keep in mind that going through this strategy will take you hours and hours, and with Software Engineering salaries it's quite probable that you should instead rather be working on stuff that you're actually good at with this time. Or then you outsource this whole process to someone else and pay them a slight premium, which is what I would do. My time isn't worth an email battle and spreadsheet acrobatics to save $3k…

Perfectly legit and wise use of time on a buyer's down time after dinner. I wouldn't mind spending the time on this over the course of a week if, at the end of the week, I wound up with the car of my choice at a fair price. I think it's time well spent.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by sys_64738 »

maxehmookau wrote: post #57
djaychela wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't speak other than personally, but my step son falls into this category and doesn't hate being sold to. He and his partner have both bought a number of cars from dealerships. And he's not got that from me or his mum, we're both quite the opposite.

Maybe a cultural thing? Are you British? I don't know anyone under 40 who enjoys the process of going to a car dealership and doing the awkward dance of trying not to get ripped off. Hey, if he doesn't hate it, and gets a good deal then good for him. I just can't believe that his feeling is commonplace.

> Maybe a cultural thing? Are you British

Yes British but love going to car dealerships and haggling. I miss the old days as buying cars is now straightforward over the internet.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by barrkel »

euroderf wrote: post #67
mrb wrote: post #43

10 years ago I walked in a dealership to buy a used car and employed a negotiation tactic that I had recently learned online. The problem was that the technical price negotiation worked so incredibly well that I basically got (politely) thrown out of the dealership. The tactic was simple: disarming empathy. It was a method presented by a hostage negotiator via this NPR podcast: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1678023…

Maybe the owner figured out your game and explained it to the salesman, who then proceeded to use it on you.

If that's the case it didn't work - the goal of a negotiation is to come to an agreement. It's trivial to disagree.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by hef19898 »

fransje26 wrote: post #100
hef19898 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love leasing! Well, not to lease myself, but the cars returned from a 2-4 year leasing contract are usually great value to buy used directly from a brand dealership, come with guarantees from the manufacturer comparable to new cars and are usually, at least, acceptable milage-wise. I talk about Germany specifically so. Once, I bought a car new. Will never do it again, used (somehwere between one and four years) is…

Somehow, I have a bad (unfounded?) association with lease drivers and car-friendliness, and I can't help but wonder how they've mistreated or abused the car mechanically in those 2-4 years. Things like full acceleration with a cold engine/turbo, and violent gear shifting and clutch abuse.. On a side-note, do you have any company or website you would recommend for ex-lease vehicles buying in Germany? Or do you simply…

In Germany I'd go directly for the manufacturers websites. They have a dedicated offer for "approved" used cars that come with warranties and such, and went through QA after being returned.

Jaguar Land Rover is pretty decent, they offer two year warranty. Prices are OK, if you have time to shop around or wait, since the value loss is, for whatever reason, higher than comparative German Premium brands. Service costs are reasonable as well (compared to Ford, Peugeot and free garages). You basically get a lot of car for your buck, plus you don't see those a dozen time between ypurbplace and the supermarket every day.

One heads-up so: Jaguar Land Rover dealerships are independent (some kind of frnachise system would be my guess), so experience can, and does, vary a lot between dealerships.

Another source would be exihibition cars and those registered for a single day (done to drive numbers, so propably not a thing at the moment, I haven't checked in a while).

Asking for a leasing return cars at ypur local brand dealership for sure is an option as well.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by euroderf »

barrkel wrote: post #103
euroderf wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the owner figured out your game and explained it to the salesman, who then proceeded to use it on you.

If that's the case it didn't work - the goal of a negotiation is to come to an agreement. It's trivial to disagree.

Maybe the salesman let his ego get in the way ?

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by herbst »

pyr0hu wrote: post #85
herbst wrote: post #56

1. Find out what you want from a car 2. Realize a 25 year old car does all that 3. Just pay the few thousand in cash I may be weird but I don't get why anyone would make dept just buy a fancy car they can't afford?

Safety. A new-ish car has much better safety devices, better chassis, more crumple zones than a car that's 25 yr old.

That's a very generalized statement. We leased a brand new fiat panda before and now have a 20 year old Subaru. Ive seen videos of both crashing and there is nothing better about the fiat.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by herbst »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #72
herbst wrote: post #56

1. Find out what you want from a car 2. Realize a 25 year old car does all that 3. Just pay the few thousand in cash I may be weird but I don't get why anyone would make dept just buy a fancy car they can't afford?

I want adaptive cruise control, reversing camera, android auto, but I'd never buy a new car or use credit to buy a car so maybe I'm just a bit less weird than you.

Camera and proper radio is a $100-$300 upgrade for any car tho. At least with those older cars where you can still DIY and use standard radios instead of the original.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by interactivecode »

G3rn0ti wrote: post #93
maxehmookau wrote: post #49

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The UK is heading this way too, and I hate it. If you show up with cash to buy a car, you're looked at like you're crazy. They push, and push to get you to take out a loan. It no longer puts you in a better negotiating position to be a cash buyer, as they're making more money selling you finance than selling the car. For all of Tesla's failings, car dealerships will die out. Millennials and Gen Z _hate_ being sold to…

> The UK is heading this way too, and I hate it. > If you show up with cash to buy a car, you're looked at like you're crazy. They > push, and push to get you to take out a loan. With used car dealers in Germany it's a common thing to pay in cash. At least the down payment is usually in cash. However, having payed for my used car in cash, it still makes me nervous thinking of me taking a bus to the dealership with €1…

you can just use your debit card, the only thing you need to do is raise your limit in advance. no need to carry that much cash around.

Re: New car buying guide: the algorithm (2021)

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

rmason wrote: post #32

Bought my first new vehicle in fifteen years. Here are the steps that I took. 1. Test drove four different brands 2. Went to six banks and found out the lowest interest rate I could get. Everyone told me that it would be at a credit union but instead it was a brand new bank that apparently was hungry to get new business 3. Emailed every dealer for the brand I chose within 225 miles. 4. You want to do one thing at a t…

And this is why I preferred to buy from Tesla... I wish more car makers sold the same way.
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