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FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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Move to Australia? On a script, cost is AUD $31.60 per syringe, a rather stark saving from $410 . I wonder how that latter price compares to the price in the US, I couldn't quite get the prices I read without insurance to compute in my head. https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/med... https://m.pbs.gov.au/medicine/item/10109c-10110d-10118m-1012...

> I wonder how that latter price compares to the price in the US My guess is not favourably for the US. My wife was diagnosed with MS about a year before we moved to America and, since I knew we were moving and was thinking about insurance, I asked the pharmacist once what they billed the govt per dose (monthly). We paid $40 out of pocket and the govt paid $1300 AUD. Our insurance in the US pays nearly $10k USD/m for…

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Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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It’s annoying to read “so and so new drug costs too much.” Creating new drugs is absurdly expensive. Most new drugs target small population groups, which is why treatments do not already exist - the low hanging fruit with large market potential gets targeted first. Just be happy a flag is planted in the ground. New drugs will be created from this that are different enough to avoid the patent, and new research will en…

While true, there is more money going in executive compensation / stock than into research. So there is plenty of space for lower prices. Plenty.

That’s absurd and you just made it up. Easily verified through public info.

Take Pfizer, R&D is $11B. You think executive comp is more than $11B?

The CEO total comp is $24M or 2%. The exec team is less than 10 people.

At least try to make believable claims.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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Our daughter is allergic to a few things,nuts being one of them. When we ask for food information at restaurants, often staff have no clue. We had cases where they couldn't confirm for sure even after checking with the kitchen( we walked away).

I'm sorry, but why would you expect someone to know all of the food ingredients on the menu - even if they work there - if they don't personally prepare all of the foods? Heck, in the US, most of the places aren't even paying their staff a decent wage. Servers go by the menu as well. It isn't like there is a list most places. If the owners cared about your allergies, they'd make sure their staff could find out easily…

> Heck, in the US, most of the places aren't even paying their staff a decent wage.

Getting > 20% of the total revenue in a restaurant seems like a pretty good deal though. I doubt most servers would prefer getting the 2-3x Federal minimum wage and no tips.

And in some states like CA, WA, NYC it’s a (relatively) very well paid job.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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I’ve been dealing with a seemingly impossible condition for the better part of a decade now seemingly related to allergies and aberrant immune function.

The problem is extremely consistent and simple to describe. Every food I eat for more than a few days trends toward causing an anaphylactic reaction. I’ve heard every response imaginable from doctors, especially all the unhelpful and harmful gas-lighting type responses. “You can’t be allergic to everything!” I’ve changed hospital centers multiple times until now I see basically some of the absolutely most credentialed providers in the world. Their best guess is a condition called MCAS. This is a poorly described syndrome basically summarized as aberrant allergic type responses without a known cause. It is a diagnosis of exclusion. What’s absolutely insane about it is that it is “not criteria for disability” according to United States current standards. It has got to be the most insane thing that someone with a rare, life-threatening condition is struggling to stay alive and at the same time struggling to survive financially.

My primary care provider didn’t believe me for over a year until I brought beans to his appointment, a food I definitely do not have IgE allergy to (but have been eating for a week prior to that appointment), ate one bite, then he just watched me turn pale, have my HR go from 75 to 125, and have immense discomfort that lasted for a few hours. My stomach also ballooned out like I was pregnant. Even after that, he is like “I think you have something like splenic sequestration.” Yeah, I've never had changes in hemoglobin levels on labs at the emergency room. It really is like dystopian. It took 6 years before providers checked things like tryptase and PGD2, known immune mediators, to notice they are variable and for some sometimes out of the normal range.

I guess I bring this up because I really am at a loss for how to deal with this condition. I take all of the standard MCAS medications, which seem to reduce the severity of my reactions, however they do not prevent me from having to constantly switch what I eat or drink. I constantly struggle with malnutrition and disordered eating because I cannot eat anything regularly and stably.

Many patients with MCAS take Xolair after they try other medications that do not work well enough to see if it will help. We really need more efforts to deal with these types of problems and more medication research. More biological research as well because clearly immune knowledge is severely lacking. Supposedly many patients that develop Long Covid also develop problems with their mast cells too, so problems like this have to be increasing in incidence. Asthma, an immune system problem that used to be rare, has an almost 10% incidence now in the United States.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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From what I read of this, it's very expensive (thousands/mo), requires at least monthly injections at a facility, has a risk of anaphylaxis (so the injections can't be done at home), doesn't eliminate the risk of allergic reactions, and has no off-ramp (so you have to take it forever). Not exactly a silver bullet... My first thought was that it could be good for kids, who are less good at checking for trace amounts o…

Longtime Xolair patient here: as far as cost goes, there are copay programs that knock the price down to $5/mo, but the catch is that you have to be insured (via commercial health insurance, not Medicare/Medicaid) to qualify. A lot of drug manufacturers offer these programs: the bargain is essentially that they'll cover the brunt of your copay cost so long as your insurance company is still paying for the rest of it.…

I'm surprised that the commercial insurance policies would tolerate this kind of copay kickback, since it arguably induces patients to be less discriminating based on their own financial skin in the game.

The federal government treats these as illegal kickbacks: https://oig.hhs.gov/documents/special-advisory-bulletins/878...

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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The risk of dying from anaphylaxis is almost universally exaggerated. There is a lot of fearmongering about it, especially for parents. The truth is, even for food allergic people, the risk of death is low compared to other causes. EpiPens are very effective. Also, anaphylaxis is a very temporary condition. If you do get anaphylaxis then after a very short recovery period there are zero long term effects to worry abo…

Yes but that's not the full story... .It's true that the odds of dying from anaphylaxis are low, IF treated in time. The sad thing is that the vast majority of all deaths from allergic reactions are preventable. Things like not acting immediately and injecting Epipen in the first few minutes, not following up with a 2nd shot if no improvement in 15min. Having expired pens. Kids grow, and need larger pens. Teacher pan…

My friend's son went into anaphylaxis while out with his girlfriend, and even though she carried a spare pen, the needle bent when it hit a seam in his pants, rendering it unusable.

She called sobbing that she'd killed him, but someone had an expired pen, and he ended up okay after getting to the hospital. Still, you never know if it could be the one.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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It's a 16 to 20 week course of treatment and reduces risk of anaphylaxis for accidental exposure to food allergens. There is at least one other drug that is used to treat peanut allergies, but this treats multiple food allergies. Given that anaphylaxis can be deadly and staff at food places can be sometimes less than reliable about food allergy concerns, I can see this being appealing to someone with severe food alle…

It would probably be a good idea to make it a recommendation to start giving allergy prone foods such as peanuts in small dosis to baby's so there is a higher chance for developing a tolerance.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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It's a 16 to 20 week course of treatment and reduces risk of anaphylaxis for accidental exposure to food allergens. There is at least one other drug that is used to treat peanut allergies, but this treats multiple food allergies. Given that anaphylaxis can be deadly and staff at food places can be sometimes less than reliable about food allergy concerns, I can see this being appealing to someone with severe food alle…

There are countries with significantly less allergies amongst children. The difference is so stark as to be visible at the country border level. This is well studied. For political reasons, I'm gonna let you search what those countries are for yourself.

Elaborate, please!

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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It's a 16 to 20 week course of treatment and reduces risk of anaphylaxis for accidental exposure to food allergens. There is at least one other drug that is used to treat peanut allergies, but this treats multiple food allergies. Given that anaphylaxis can be deadly and staff at food places can be sometimes less than reliable about food allergy concerns, I can see this being appealing to someone with severe food alle…

It would probably be a good idea to make it a recommendation to start giving allergy prone foods such as peanuts in small dosis to baby's so there is a higher chance for developing a tolerance.

This is now the recommendation. Companies even make allergen packets to add to your baby’s breast milk / formula / early foods for gradual and systemic exposure.

Re: FDA approves first medication to reduce allergic reactions to multiple foods

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There are countries with significantly less allergies amongst children. The difference is so stark as to be visible at the country border level. This is well studied. For political reasons, I'm gonna let you search what those countries are for yourself.

Elaborate, please!

Look up the hygiene hypothesis, I believe that's what they're referring to.
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