This is almost a tacit admission that they did put their finger on the scale. Is it really AI if there is human intervention?
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#102why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
> why are we using image generators to represent actual history?
That’s what a movie going to be in the future. People are going to prompt characters that AI will animate.
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It could be generating pictures of black slave owners, because some embattled anitwokeness warrior was feeding it creative prompts. Just a guess though. Edit: turns out it generates German WW2 soldiers as non white which is most likely the kind of thing that will make Google take a step back. I was close with my guess.
Do you realise that most slave owners were black? All the kingdoms in subsaharan Africa were build on a slave trade. Mansa Musa was richest person of its time (maybe ever), where do you thing it came from!?
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#104seems like as if Gemini was trained excessively on Google PR and marketing material. Case in point: https://store.google.com/
Not a great link for an international audience. Here in Germany, the top image is a white person: https://i.imgur.com/wqfdJ95.png
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#105It's hardly "politically sensitive" to be disappointed by this behaviour: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465554 "Asked specifically to generate images of people of various ethnic groups, it would happily do it except in the case of white people, in which it would flatly refuse."
It’s being politically sensitive to assert that this was obviously the intent of Google and that it demonstrates that they’re wholly consumed by the woke mind virus, or whatever, as many commenters have done. The sensible alternative explanation is that this issue is an overcorrection made in an attempt to address well-documented biases these models have when not fine tuned.
> The sensible alternative explanation is that this issue is an overcorrection made in an attempt to address well-documented biases these models have when not fine tuned.
That is what all these people are arguing, so you agree with them here. If people didn't complain then this wouldn't get fixed.
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#106OpenAI already experienced this backlash when it was injecting words for diversity into prompts (hilariously if you asked for your prompt back it would include the words, and supposedly you could get it to render the extra words onto signs within the image). How could Google have made the same mistake but worse ?
DALL-E is still prompted with diversity in mind. It's just not over the top. People don't mind to receive diverse depictions when they make sense for a given context.
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#107And by “issues” they mean Gemini was blatantly racist, but nobody will use that word in the mainstream media because apparently it’s impossible to be racist against white people.
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#108seems like as if Gemini was trained excessively on Google PR and marketing material. Case in point: https://store.google.com/
Not a great link for an international audience. Here in Germany, the top image is a white person: https://i.imgur.com/wqfdJ95.png
I'm not even seeing any people on my version. Just devices. Wonder why
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#109What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…
Absolutely, it's such an American-centric way of thinking. Which given the context is really ironic.
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#110There's an amusing irony here: real diversity would entail many competing ML companies from non-Western countries —each of which would bring their own cultural norms, alien and uncomfortable to Westerners. There's no cultural diversity in Silicon Valley being a global hegemon: exporting a narrow sliver of the world's viewpoints to the whole planet, imposing them with the paternalism drawn from our own sense of superi…
There's just one problem: even if you collect all the biases of all the countries in the world, you still won't get something diverse and inclusive in the end...