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Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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post #92

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What if I only want an app that works offline? Is there a reason to use a PWA? For example, I want to make a simple notes app that has no reason to need connectivity.

If you don't have a complete Apple development environment, PWA is the best shot you have getting that little offline note taking to run on an iPhone.

That's not what I'm asking about. Whether it's Apple, Android, or desktop, if I just want to make an offline app why would I use a PWA?

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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I for one would much rather have native mobile apps that use platform-appropriate controls rather than web apps that use whatever some designer came up with. We’ve already lost this battle on computers because of electron, but iOS is nice precisely because there isn’t an easy way to just ship web technology “apps”.

Is it though? A large portion of apps on the mobile app stores are already built using cross-platform technologies like React Native, Ionic or Flutter. In some instances it is very easy to tell, in other it's not. You can create quality experiences using cross-platform, you can create awful experiences using native tooling. In many instances, I'd rather have the not totally native app that exists than the absolutely…

Exactly. Pwa is cheap

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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It looks like Apple found a loop hole. I don’t think this loop hole will stay open for long. Edit: I really think that we will soon get an addendum to this law that will limit those fees. In a similar way mobile phone roaming fees got regulated.

There is no loop hole. Apple is able to charge a per-sale license fee for using their SDKs same as Epic, Microsoft etc. There isn't a single court or government in the world who has disagreed with this.

No thats not the intent of the newly passed digital markets act which will come into effect soon.

But I am happy to come back to you when the EU takes action though!

Anti-trust laws are perfectly legal. We can make and enforce laws that force Apple to change, just like laws exist in all parts of the world.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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For quick access without cluttering browser tabs and bookmarks.

You value real-estate on your home screen less than in your bookmarks?

It’s more that the number of sites I’d add to my home screen has a hard upper bound that’s not high, management is easy, and if I want one without it being on the home screen I can send it to the app library instead, where it’ll surface with a search.

Bookmarks on the other hand are unbounded and suck to manage (no browser has improved meaningfully in this realm in ~20 years for some reason) so the threshold for what gets bookmarked is higher.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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post #99

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I for one would much rather have native mobile apps that use platform-appropriate controls rather than web apps that use whatever some designer came up with. We’ve already lost this battle on computers because of electron, but iOS is nice precisely because there isn’t an easy way to just ship web technology “apps”.

Is it though? A large portion of apps on the mobile app stores are already built using cross-platform technologies like React Native, Ionic or Flutter. In some instances it is very easy to tell, in other it's not. You can create quality experiences using cross-platform, you can create awful experiences using native tooling. In many instances, I'd rather have the not totally native app that exists than the absolutely…

One good thing about PWAs is that they run inside a browser. So if that's a good browser like firefox, you can use addons to limit tracking. Or force dark mode even for apps that don't bother implementing it (eg the Amazon shopping app) with dark reader.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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Electron apps are getting much better. VS Code is considered the best app in its class by a distant margin and it’s an electron app. The first round of Electron apps were created by people who were simply trying to get some cross platform native version of their apps out. It’s only been recently that companies are now creating electron apps as first class products and now those apps are doing very well.

The popularity of VSCode is mystifying to me: IntelliJ is a much nicer application and VSCode always ends up lagging randomly for me.

Same here, I love the JetBrains IDEs.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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I love developing PWAs because I can quickly and easily make an app for myself and my family that works without having to provision their devices or pay a dev license to Apple. I also use it at work for internal apps. It’s great for all those things. It’s very obvious to me that I’m a second priority for Apple. Dark mode breaking in iOS 17 and still broken 5 months later. Updating the app is tricky, and making users…

Looks like Apple is going to fix dark mode in iOS 18 by dropping support for PWAs altogether in my part of the world. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/08/ios-17-4-nerfs-web-apps...

It’s just a beta, though, right now… We don’t know if this is getting released or not yet.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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There is no loop hole. Apple is able to charge a per-sale license fee for using their SDKs same as Epic, Microsoft etc. There isn't a single court or government in the world who has disagreed with this.

No thats not the intent of the newly passed digital markets act which will come into effect soon. But I am happy to come back to you when the EU takes action though! Anti-trust laws are perfectly legal. We can make and enforce laws that force Apple to change, just like laws exist in all parts of the world.

You have invented that intent.

Because it is not in the act nor have there been any public statements about it.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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post #92

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If you don't have a complete Apple development environment, PWA is the best shot you have getting that little offline note taking to run on an iPhone.

That's not what I'm asking about. Whether it's Apple, Android, or desktop, if I just want to make an offline app why would I use a PWA?

If you only want to target one platform, and if you are already completely set up for native development for that platform, then yes, there's nothing to gain from going PWA instead of native.

Other than the learning experience of course, which you might consider valuable unless know for sure that all your future projects will remain on that one single platform.

Re: PWAs wont replace native iOS apps

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post #68

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There are constant complaints about electron apps being bad and people wanting native apps, except in the case of PWAs. I can't keep all the complaining straight lol

Electron apps are getting much better. VS Code is considered the best app in its class by a distant margin and it’s an electron app. The first round of Electron apps were created by people who were simply trying to get some cross platform native version of their apps out. It’s only been recently that companies are now creating electron apps as first class products and now those apps are doing very well.

Except VS Code is missing tons of native functionality that makes it still feel out of place.
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