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Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Have you considered collecting everyone's phone when they arrive only giving them back when they leave?

They will stop showing up most likely. I would also just stop asking these people out. Me and my partner don’t meet with people that often but we meet with people that don’t do phones while we meet. I think I would just ask people out of my house or if in restaurant I would finish up and leave.

The only friend that would do this around me got a rant or two from me. Basically told him I didn’t invite him over for that and he should be present if we’re together. He’s a great guy and actually changed his behavior after that.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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You raise an interesting point. I used to be convinced by purely data-based and "science"-based points, but due to overly-confident sounding statistics over the past 5 years, I've stopped paying attention to it - particularly with regards to social sciences. Unless we have cameras monitoring American men at all times, we do not know that they have reduced face-to-face socializing by 30%. What we do have is very intel…

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>> If a study doesn't pass the smell test, is not easily reproducible, and I have no personally trusted people who can vouch for the findings, then - yes - my feelings matter more.

> Are you fucking stupid? They’re doing just that, but in the opposite direction

I don't think you read what I wrote in any attempt to understand.

The argument is that a person can value their own experiences more than data, and not that their experiences are convincing to other people.

It doesn't bother me that someone feels their anecdotal experience in their social circles is completely different from the data shared. The original data could be slanted, the social circle could be different, and it's an opportunity - not something that needs to be shouted down because of "the data".

Even assuming the data is correct, having a potential population in which it is different would be of far greater interest than flexing about the supposed absolute truth of the data.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Okay, now compare this to the rest of the world. Surely the US isn't going to dethrone Japan as the king of introverts anytime soon, right? Are there places in the world where "hanging out" is increasing, or holding steady? This article could very well be about a global phenomenon. It would be really nice to know if it is. EDIT: I've heard that in southern Europe (roughly, Spain, France, Greece), "hanging out" is as…

Multiple factors:

- Southern Europe is culturally Catholic. Gross oversimplifaction incoming: Catholics: pray hard and get to the heaven. Protestants: work hard and get to the heaven. Obviously nowadays many people are atheistic but the underlying tone is there.

- Climate. It's actually difficult to work hard during summer when most of the day the heat is killing you. Combined with the above explains the lower GDP compared to northern Europe.

- Stronger welfare. You won't starve if you get laid off. You don't need to stress about work that much, you don't have to work overtime to prove sth to your boss. You can clock out at 5pm and go for a drink.

- Walkable cities, public transport. Easy to bump to someone or gather. You can drink alcohol since you don't need to drive. Even smaller towns have cultural life. Small villages have social life revolving around soccer, voluntary firemen and festive celebrations.

- Establishments with reasonable prices. Coffee is super cheap in Italy, Spain or Greece. Even alcohol is cheaper than UK or US. Food is much better. Small low-cost places can have great food while in USA the low-cost is dominated by fast-food chains with exception of ethnic restaurants.

- Stronger family/friend bonds. People move less for work. In USA people hop between states and lose bonds. Even if you move to a different city in Spain, it's easy to hop on a train and spend a weekend with loved ones.

Boils down to "live to work" vs "work to live".

Reporting from central Europe, we are culturally somewhere between north/south (protestant vs catholic morale) and west/east (overall development and other values).

Covid wiped out many restaurants and pubs and people hang out less than before but we still go with friends for a beer often.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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You nailed it. I've kind of stopped having get-togethers at my house (either for friends or family) because people show up, do a brief normal-human greeting interaction, and inevitably eventually sit down and just kind of zombie out scrolling their phones. Despite efforts to strike up conversation, play a board game or whatever, people just can't put the fucking things down for even 5 minutes, let alone enough time t…

Are people really like this? Maybe this is controversial but it sounds like you just don't have good friends. I can't think of any of my friends that would respond to a request to hang out and then use their phone outside of a minimal amount once they got there. And honestly if they are doing this regularly as a force of habit, I probably am not asking them to hang out again.

I have a very similar experience as you, almost all of my friends do not use their cellphones apart from a minimal amount in case a message needs a time sensitive reply.

I do have a couple of them who have an extreme habit of zoning out into their phones, sometimes in the middle of a conversation, we are close enough where I have set a boundary/game when we meet, they give me their phones and we put them face down somewhere, they can check it after stating out loud the reason for using it, it's helped them immensely to unglue from their phones during social hangouts since they noticed they were simply addicted.

There's very little that tires and bores me the fuck out more in a social hangout than people on their phones, it just feels so rude, and hollows the experience.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Also, after the 2008 crash, food doesn’t taste as good at certain places. Chain restaurants that used to be really tasty, started using cheaper ingredients (theory) and just don’t taste as good as they used to and it’s more expensive.

Blandflation?

Enshitification - cost cutting

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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No third space (and phones)

This is big for me and I didn’t realize it until recently. Right now I’ve added a local ice rink for pickup hockey and a golf course as a third space for each season. I’d be curious to hear what others are doing.

I hadn't come across the concept of a third space until ... yesterday, I think, on another HN thread.

That said, it just seems weird that people would go about their lives without having one. For me, it's mostly the climbing gym where I both socialise with my friends and strangers.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Americans are scared of saying the wrong thing. Meanwhile I say things that would get me arrested in the uk and fired in the US, daily, and I have lots of friends and an active social life, in person, no phones, no problems. If you can't tell your friends what you think, social places become a second workplace, of course you don't wanna go

I'm curious about what it is that you say that would get you arrested in the UK. Short of publicly and loudly admitting you committed a crime, or actually committing one (e.g. being a racist towards someone, plotting terrorism, etc.) I can't think of anything.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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the restaurant prices got too high

Even as early as 2015 I was often shocked how few people entertained or wanted to do potlucks. I soon learned why, at least in my circles the lack of effort was mind blowing. Most people balked at the idea of chipping in to buy food, and so when I'd try a potluck everyone would aim at bringing something fully prepared like "Chips and Salsa" (and like 5 people would bring that). I finally gave up trying to entertain f…

I think a lot of people simply don’t know how to cook or are so bad at it that they’d be embarrassed. I’ve seen HN commenters admit they eat in restaurants for all their meals. Heck in my early 20s I couldn’t even cook myself eggs or spaghetti.
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