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I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by globular-toast »

The worst thing is you just can't get rid of it. You might try suggesting a simpler tool like Gitlab, but because Jira does absolutely fucking everything there will be one thing someone just can't live without and makes the alternative unviable. Of course if the simpler tool was used from the start nobody would miss that feature.

I personally just my own backlog/todo system (both for work and non-work stuff) and consider Jira usage a necessary evil part of the job. Hopefully I'll someday work somewhere uninfected.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by blueskythinking »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #52

We are going to need a story for that. Be sure to set a good estimate of your effort in the form of story points. Use the Fibonacci sequence to pick the difficulty level for your story points. Your manager will then arrange your stories in priority order, Stories must be worked in priority order. At review time the number of stories and the number of points per story counts. Hurry up now.

Story points represent complexity, not difficulty. We also aim for a certain amount of story points per sprint. After 13 we leave the Fibonacci sequence and just double them. The entire team must vote on story points simultaneously to avoid affecting each other’s opinions, then must discuss the votes until we agree on a number. Stories that have sat too long in the backlog need re-pointing. Voting is now done with post-its in Miro, just to be modern.

Things are sometimes stories, sometimes epics, and sometimes tasks or sub tasks. No one knows why, nor have they found a good way to integrate them all into The Workflow.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by wkat4242 »

ta1243 wrote: post #59
bschne wrote: post #8

I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.

I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…

I don't want to use any tool or methodology.. I just want to do my work.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by magicmicah85 »

prepend wrote: post #86
kagevf wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've wondered the same thing about Microsoft Teams. Is Teams as horrible as people say, or do they just hate it because it's what they happen to use for video meetings at work? Conversely, I don't hear much hate for zoom.

I can’t get a modal popup when someone messages me directly on teams. I have to check the list of chats for if someone has messaged me. That’s stupid and a flaw in teams. It’s a bad messaging app. It’s pretty good with meetings though.

Are you on Mac by chance? I use notifications to gather all my pop ups as I’ve never been able to get the modals to work.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by morkalork »

wwilim wrote: post #58
fuzzy2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where would it need to be not to die? Also, what kind of documentation? Technical? Or business?

In the repo with the code, linked to from a sensible wiki that serves only as an index

In the repo with the code. Seeing commits where both the code and doc change together is a sight to behold.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by OJFord »

kagevf wrote: post #77
bschne wrote: post #8

I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.

I've wondered the same thing about Microsoft Teams. Is Teams as horrible as people say, or do they just hate it because it's what they happen to use for video meetings at work? Conversely, I don't hear much hate for zoom.

Teams is the only reason Chrome (well, Chromium) is installed on my work laptop: it detects Firefox and refuses to function. So does Facetime, incidentally, which I found out more recently for a family thing, and that's why Chromium is also installed on my personal laptop currently.

I assume they're both doing something unfriendly that Firefox disallows on privacy or security grounds.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

#108

Post by sb8244 »

VonGallifrey wrote: post #73
bschne wrote: post #8

I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.

When I clicked on the site the very first opinion called Jira shit because they had 20 different boards for the same thing, 2000 tickets in the backlog and 20 different mandatory fields for each ticket. Which is absolutely not the fault of Jira. Jira does not make you create 20 boards and per default a Title is all you need to create a Ticket. By the complaints own wording they had 2000 tickets because management ref…

This hits the heart of it for me.

I've used Jira (last job) and Linear (now). I don't really see any compelling reason that Linear is "better" than Jira. Jira was always pretty easy to use and navigate for me, and we had team-focused views for ourselves.

Even on this site, several opinions I looked at are about the idea of process or the implementation of a process—not really about Jira. And several of the ones about Jira just came off as whiny nitpicking and not actually meaningful.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by vundercind »

karaterobot wrote: post #45
bschne wrote: post #8

I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.

The biggest company I've ever worked in was 120 people, and I hated using Jira. I also hated Jira at the ~100 person company I used to work for, and the 7 person company I worked for a few years ago. Jira has a lot of problems. I've yet to find the one, true, perfect work management system, but of the half dozen I've tried, Jira is the one I like the least.

I’ve never once been able to figure out WTF actual benefit it provides over GH issues or Gitlab’s equivalent. I was once told we couldn’t use Issues because “non-developers find it confusing” but holy shit that cannot be true, have you seen how much more confusing even a very vanilla Jira is?!

It seems to me these tools should be optimized for the majority of their users (developers) and if the PMs need pretty graphs and someone else wants it all in a spreadsheet (OMFG) they could use any of a hundred integrations to extract the data and generate those without more effort than wrangling Jira.

Shit, lots of places are already paying for GH or Gitlab (or self-hosting the latter). They just don’t use that part and instead also pay for Jira or Asana or ADO or whatever productivity-murdering junk-drawer-where-information-gets-lost garbage.

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