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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #17

I'm not really anticipating being a car buyer for another half decade, but the #1 thing I want to judge the industry by & see progressing is MPGe (or kWh per 100km elsewhere). How efficient is your vehicle? Leaving everyone to go figure out efficiency obfuscates what should be a defining characteristics of these offerings!

Most people who don't drive an abnormally large number of miles have never much cared about fuel economy because it's a relatively small part of the cost of owning a car. At $3/gallon and 12,000 miles a year, the difference between 20MPG and 40MPG is $75/month, and when gas was $1.50 it was half that.

This is even less of a concern with electric vehicles, both because any electric vehicle is already more environmentally friendly (you can feasibly charge with 100% renewable energy regardless of MPGe), and because the energy cost will always be lower than it was for gasoline vehicles, which leaves even less monetary value on the table for possible gains from efficiency improvements.

So almost nobody is going to care about that unless we end up in a world where electricity prices are dramatically higher than they are now.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by reducesuffering »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #17

I'm not really anticipating being a car buyer for another half decade, but the #1 thing I want to judge the industry by & see progressing is MPGe (or kWh per 100km elsewhere). How efficient is your vehicle? Leaving everyone to go figure out efficiency obfuscates what should be a defining characteristics of these offerings!

Agree. the 26.5 kWh for 100 miles at California electric prices (0.40$/kWh) is not great compared to hybrids. That's the same price it costs to run a Prius at gasoline prices of $4/gallon.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#103

Post by NotSammyHagar »

kube-system wrote: post #31

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there.

But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive train warranty, for well under 30.

This is why tesla model y was the best selling sedan in the entire world last year, taking it away from Toyota, an amazing thing really.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

willio58 wrote: post #5

I just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on t…

Vehicle sizing for EVs is weird because the battery is a larger proportion of the weight of the vehicle, and because of that the size of the battery is more related to how much range you want to get than how big the vehicle is. If you put a 500 mile battery in a subcompact, it isn't going to weigh that different than a midsized crossover with the exact same battery in it, and it isn't going to get much better range either because it doesn't weigh much less.

At which point sacrificing interior space doesn't yield much in terms of efficiency and makes for a poor trade off. What we're probably going to see is "family cars" with a 300+ mile range and the shape of an SUV and then "commuter cars" which are small and correspondingly have a <100 mile range, because it doesn't make a ton of sense to make something which is tiny but still heavy.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

lIl-IIIl wrote: post #57
ggreer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria). Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."

It might fail his "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" criteria.

cover the camera in the cabin, it's not necessary unless using stupid fsd.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

kube-system wrote: post #82
hnburnsy wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;) https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116... >By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.

If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630. Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview $39k for RWD, 39k miles. Used 3's and y's are the best deal, even cheaper. Musk sucks, but the car does have the specs. Mine is almost 10 years old, lost 5 miles of range.

Tesla confused everyone when they massively cut prices, causing prices to go down across the entire EV world.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by kube-system »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #106
kube-system wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630. Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview $39k for RWD, 39k miles. Used 3's and y's are the best deal, even cheaper. Musk sucks, but the car does have the specs. Mine is almost 10 years old, lost 5 miles of range. Tesla confused everyone when they massively cut prices, causing prices to go down across the entire EV world.

Meh, for $40k I want to be the first one farting in the seats.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#109

Post by kube-system »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #103
kube-system wrote: post #31

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there. But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive…

It's not available locally, and not actually available under $40k.

If I were buying today, I'd get a Prius Prime. It is available locally starting at $34,100, has enough range for me to be in EV for anything but a road-trip, and has a good network for parts and service.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by JojoFatsani »

kube-system wrote: post #109
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there. But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive…

It's not available locally, and not actually available under $40k. If I were buying today, I'd get a Prius Prime. It is available locally starting at $34,100, has enough range for me to be in EV for anything but a road-trip, and has a good network for parts and service.

Check the Tesla inventory page. Plenty of lightly used 3’s and Y’s available at steep discounts. The new Prius is by all accounts a great car. However I would put good money on it being way harder to get a Prius than a Tesla at this moment. Toyota hybrids, PHEV especially, are near unobtanium.
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