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Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

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Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

#101

In NYC, you can get robbed and beat up, and the NYPD will refuse to file a report. There's your 'lack' of crime

I came to post a very similar sentiment, but about Oakland, CA.

Reward police for lowered stats, watch the stats magically deflate. Et voila!

Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

#102
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I’ve been robbed twice in the last year (one car break in and a bike theft) and we didn’t even bother to report it. I don’t want to lose my insurance! I need to save it for something bigger.

Why would the insurance care what you tell the police?

Generally the response from the police about a burglary has me saying "why would anyone care what you tell the police?(including them)"

Had my car stolen and burglarized before, when I asked the cop if there'd be any follow up they literally just laughed and hung up the phone.

Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

#103
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give an example?

Some areas of the city get historically low crime rates because they are essentially avoided at all costs, not because the place is safe. People "locked up" inside their own homes is not what I would call public security, even though the data will show that the numbers improved.

I get the argument, I'm asking for an example of a city that's improving on a paper but in reality getting more dangerous.

Subtext: I'm a little skeptical one exists, unless you're looking at a place like Venezuela where stats have been entirely fictional for years.

Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carjacking is rampant in large part because of what Kia did, which really ought to land that company in a lake of civil liability. Carjacking, at least as it's practiced in Chicagoland, starts with a burner car that rolls up on the victim to disgorge the armed robbers. Kias, which can be hotwired with a broken USB cable, offered carjackers a literal citywide fleet of burner vehicles.

"Toyotas and Hondas were the most commonly stolen car make in the District in 2022, with 501 Toyotas and 413 Hondas reported stolen. Hyundai and Kia were the third and seventh most commonly stolen, respectively, with 355 Hyundais and 192 Kias reported stolen last year. By comparison, D.C. police data show 1,468 Hyundais and 806 Kias were stolen between Jan. 1 and July 20 of this year, accounting for more than half of…

Isnt carjacking by definition armed? Or at least "pretend to be armed"? Why would the victim not just drive away if the assailant isnt armed?

Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

#108

> "The national picture shows that murder is falling. We have data from over 200 cities showing a 12.2% decline ... in 2023 relative to 2022," Asher said, citing his own analysis of public data. He found instances of rape, robbery and aggravated assault were all down too. > A Gallup poll released in November found 77% of Americans believed there was more crime in the country than the year before. And 63% felt there w…

We had a record 2023 year for murder here in Seattle, and our property crime really isn't subsiding. We are low for violent crime already (relatively speaking, southern and midwest cities make everyone else look much better), but property crime...the only reason it can go down is people give up on reporting it (since nothing is done anyways).

I don't trust surveys as much as I'm suspicious of official reported crime statistics. Murder statistics are actually incredibly reliable, since not reporting one is also considered a crime, whereas you can blow off reporting almost anything else.

Re: Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

#110
post #80

It is really scary that peoples' perceptions of reality seem to be getting less accurate over time, especially in regards to important issues like crime levels and the health of the economy. The success of democracy depends on people being able to elect effective representatives, and if people can't even accurately perceive what's happening around them in the world right now then I just don't see how we can expect pe…

I strongly believe social media is the cause of this. I suspect that nation state actors purposely spam videos (even older ones) that drum up fear and division (eg black guy beating up old white woman or white cops beating up black kid). People can now see so many horrible things that have always been happening but are and have always been rare that they think these things are happening all the time.
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