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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the gun control debate.

Except gun ownership is codified into the US Constitution. That’s why is impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

That's hardly the issue, gun ownership is part of Australia also - the difference being that there it is regulated.

The debate in the US is largely about what constitutes well-regulated and is a mess as States are not aligned.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#102
So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft

I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mostly happens at the municipal and state levels in the US), and it seems like most people are unhappy with measures introduced by the normal "democratic" means of governance in rich nations, where we elect people, who then make laws

Maybe we should do more of the former and less of the latter

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#103

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

We’re gonna cherry pick some bright ones and disregard the far more numerous, intellectually stupid US politicians?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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This is what happens when you let your government run wild. You can't carry a pocketknife in the UK, you can't carry a Flipper in Canada. Insane. I genuinely hope the US does not become even more of a farce of a democracy like these two. Soon our own fingers will be banned "for our own safety."

UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama. Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be. Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

Yep, I’ve never personally seen a problem with this law.

We’ve made plenty of dumb decisions as a country but I’d say trying to keep knives off the streets is not one of them.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#105

Canada has totally lost its way. Housing is a massive issue. Healthcare is under constant attack. Immigration is used to prop up a failing economy. We don’t really make anything. Wages are lower than the US just because. There’s no negotiating power. The dollar is weak. We can’t extract most of the available resources because of the weather and environmental concerns. The praries are being sold off to foreign investo…

It's an obnoxiously tough time and it's easy to fall into a pit of despair regarding the decreasing availability of a prosperous future if you don't already have it, and all of those issues can be both interesting and depressing to think about.

However, what we do have is a pretty welcoming, friendly, and adventurous population that's a great basis for building a home, even if that doesn't mean having a house. If you have no sentimental attachments, no social life, no outdoor hobbies, no family, no job, and no prospects for a job, all of those together are perfectly legitimate reasons for getting the hell out and seeking prosperity where it might actually be found.

For me, I haven't had a job for almost a year, nobody's hiring, nobody will be hiring, rent is increasing, I'll almost certainly never own a home or be able to retire, and I don't think having kids would be feasible if I was set on it; all together, a miserable situation to be in. But... I do have friends, I have places to spend my time, I don't need to worry about medical expenses, I have a roof (for now), and I'm in better shape than many people in their early thirties. I like the vibe, and don't think I'd have better opportunities in those respects anywhere else.

That said, I did already move for work once, and picked the most appealing place imo, so anywhere else would have to pass a very high bar in order to compete. I'm also relatively more outgoing and open than people who claim to want strong social lives, and am willing to put in the groundwork. If you're a lonely, socially anxious or inept person, or a sweaty careerist tryhard who doesn't take time away from work anyway, being here vs anywhere else probably won't be such a significant difference except a better account balance.

Edit: I'd qualify my characterization of being welcoming, open, and adventurous, with the possible exception of smaller towns and cities where quite the opposite can be true. No so much because they don't like newcomers or because they're bigoted, but many people in those places—even if they're relatively cosmopolitan—haven't bothered to look beyond their high school friends for connection, even well into adulthood, and I've heard that can be quite difficult to break into. But I also don't think it's unique to Canada and it's a worthwhile experience to get the hell out of your hometown no matter where you're from by your mid-twenties I think, if even for a few years.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#106

Relevant part: > Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada will work with Canadian companies, and the automotive industry, to develop new solutions to protect vehicles against theft and to assist with recovery of stolen vehicles. > ISED will pursue all avenues to ban devices used to steal vehicles by copying the wireless signals for remote keyless e…

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

Forgive me if as an American I hold up the English people and their government as a model of how a free and democratic nation ought not to be.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally called it an "assault-style gun" ban. If that's not judging guns based on how scary they look then what would you call it?

Depends on what the content of the law was, I suppose, but you're not really addressing my point. Why did they say they wanted to ban these weapons? And why did standard capacity mags get banned around the same time? Hint: your mini 14, my g3, and my buddy's SKS all fell under this rule, despite having some distinct aesthetics (and all being pretty distinct from the dreaded AR15).

One thing that all the guns you listed have in common is that they are all battle rifles or derived from battle rifles (very tenuously the M14 in the case of the mini 14).

In other words they were designed to be given to young men in the military to shoot at other people.

I don't particularly like the new gun rules, but I think that gun advocates do themselves a disfavour when they pretend that an SKS or G3 wasn't designed first and foremost as a military weapon.

You don't have to be a gun nerd to know that a gun that comes standard with an attached bayonet is materially different from a rifle designed with deer hunting in mind. https://www.cabelas.ca/product/110383/chinese-sks-semi-autom...

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#108

It not banned yet: might be worth to send comments to Jean-Sebastien.Comeau@iga-aig.gc.ca the email address on that page. > Office of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs

Snail mail tends to work better for reaching out to Members of Parliament just out of the blue, though still no guarantee since it's still an intern that's opening and reading it.

Emails seem to work fine if they already know you.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#109

Canada has totally lost its way. Housing is a massive issue. Healthcare is under constant attack. Immigration is used to prop up a failing economy. We don’t really make anything. Wages are lower than the US just because. There’s no negotiating power. The dollar is weak. We can’t extract most of the available resources because of the weather and environmental concerns. The praries are being sold off to foreign investo…

If you think it's that bad I say (not in a snarky way) go but I'm not sure where. By your tone I suspect the EU is not your cup of tea. I think you're wrong I mean we have problems but so do all countries now healthcare is a worldwide issue. And just look south it's a mess politically and socially (sorry USA!). Even the EU is under strain among its members.

Not OP but did add my own take in a sibling comment; as much as I tend to enjoy my time in the states, I just don't like the vibe as much, and there's a subtle but noticable relief I get when I return home. Maybe it's the airport terminals that make me feel as though I'm appealing to get out of prison every time I have to layover there.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#110

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director.

Then she started her political career.

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