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Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#101
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that was me.

fun times I had ops courtesy of that alternative bot Austin (?) ran - I remember there were like two competing bot systems and he liked me for some reason yeah some interesting conversations were had

Yeah, there were two but for the most part there was administrative cooperation between groups.

It was hard work keeping the trolls at bay and the Lunix spammers/users in check.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#104
post #14

I was an ircop on efnet for like half my childhood until they figured out I wasn't 18 and desynced my server. I just could never go back to IRC. I stopped using it probably 15 years ago or more after using it for 20ish years. Got my first job on it, learned linux and networking through it, definitely propelled my career. TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like…

>file transfers

While some people might use XDCC, it seems more common to post a filehost link, similar to sharing pictures. You can also exchange magic wormhole codes, link a torrent file, give ipfs info, share a server where you can use sftp, etc. I personally don't like XDCC and never touch it. I think it's used more for grabbing files from bots than between real people, and for that sort of thing I much prefer torrents.

>syncing... multi-device support

I run irssi (tui client) inside of tmux on a remote server (in the house of someone I know, within 20 minutes driving distance). I ssh in and attach to the tmux session from my main PC and my phone, getting the same full client and experience from both, allowing me to do powerful things like use irssi aliases, shell commands, and tmux shortcuts even from my phone. Much more powerful than a dedicated mobile client. Plus I can run mail and torrent clients in another tab, quickly look at IRC log files going back years in another pane, etc.

I'm also on XMPP and Matrix, but nothing feels as powerful, controllable, reliable, and as fun as IRC. I've never seen Rizon or Libera go entirely down for a day or even an hour, but it's practically normal for XMPP and Matrix homeservers to go down, lag super hard, have issues sending or receiving media, have issues with encryption (which you can't even turn back off when it breaks on Matrix, but you can on XMPP). Other proprietary chats need not be mentioned of course. Honorable mention to Mumble for voice, but it's not that often I want to voice chat.

I've made a lot of friends on IRC and I still chat on it every single day.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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post #104
post #14

I was an ircop on efnet for like half my childhood until they figured out I wasn't 18 and desynced my server. I just could never go back to IRC. I stopped using it probably 15 years ago or more after using it for 20ish years. Got my first job on it, learned linux and networking through it, definitely propelled my career. TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like…

>file transfers While some people might use XDCC, it seems more common to post a filehost link, similar to sharing pictures. You can also exchange magic wormhole codes, link a torrent file, give ipfs info, share a server where you can use sftp, etc. I personally don't like XDCC and never touch it. I think it's used more for grabbing files from bots than between real people, and for that sort of thing I much prefer to…

> While some people might use XDCC, it seems more common to post a filehost link, similar to sharing pictures. You can also exchange magic wormhole codes, link a torrent file, give ipfs info, share a server where you can use sftp, etc. I personally don't like XDCC and never touch it.

What you're saying is that IRC file sharing is so bad that people use anything other than IRC file sharing.

> I run irssi (tui client) inside of tmux on a remote server (in the house of someone I know, within 20 minutes driving distance).

A unix shell account on a managed server would cost at least $5/month at commercial rates. Most people aren't willing to pay that much just for online chat. You don't like IRC, you like the massive favour this person is doing you.

> I ssh in and attach to the tmux session from my main PC and my phone, getting the same full client and experience from both, allowing me to do powerful things like use irssi aliases, shell commands, and tmux shortcuts even from my phone. Much more powerful than a dedicated mobile client.

It's not though. A native, customizable chat program will let you do everything you could do over ssh, but also do things that take advantage of your device's unique capabilities like touch gestures on phone.

> Plus I can run mail and torrent clients in another tab, quickly look at IRC log files going back years in another pane, etc.

Again this is an example of the best thing about IRC being not IRC.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fun times I had ops courtesy of that alternative bot Austin (?) ran - I remember there were like two competing bot systems and he liked me for some reason yeah some interesting conversations were had

Yeah, there were two but for the most part there was administrative cooperation between groups. It was hard work keeping the trolls at bay and the Lunix spammers/users in check.

> hard work keeping the trolls at bay

Oh it still is hahaha

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#107
post #14

I was an ircop on efnet for like half my childhood until they figured out I wasn't 18 and desynced my server. I just could never go back to IRC. I stopped using it probably 15 years ago or more after using it for 20ish years. Got my first job on it, learned linux and networking through it, definitely propelled my career. TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like…

Super interesting, thank you for posting. Agreed with a lot of it, except for one thing:

"No syncing without running an eggdrop or some tty somewhere running it 24/7."

That's one of the things I miss most about IRC. There was something very temporal about it -- you were logged in, or you weren't. You were present, or you weren't. More modern tools of communication like Slack or Discord basically don't have this; it's more like a long private "feed" than a "chat" as I think of it, anyway.

I miss that temporality. I miss logging in and asking the chat, "Hey, is so and so online?" "yeah, he was here about half an hour ago, went afk but should be back." It gives me the same warm rosy feeling the thought of having to use a pay phone does.

Obviously, you're right, in the commercial sense, this is unacceptable. But I personally kind of miss the days when chat / email / forum were separate things. Now we have these mutants in Slack and Discord that mish mash both. Maybe I'm old but I find it sort of difficult conceptually.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#108
post #20

No mention was ever made of why anyone would want their life filled with so many damn notifications. Half of these seem more appropriate for email, and email is already set up to handle them with zero configuration (like GitHub). Twitter, who cares, that’s a time waster. Home surveillance stuff is also a waste of time. It is basically entirely ineffective, every petty criminal knows to wear a mask and clearance rates…

> Home surveillance stuff is also a waste of time. It is basically entirely ineffective, every petty criminal knows to wear a mask and clearance rates are below 15%. This is very context-dependent. If I lived in a large city somewhere and was often not at home, sure - but I live in a small town and am almost always home. "Home surveillance stuff" notifies me when something unexpected is happening on my property and l…

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Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#109
post #20

No mention was ever made of why anyone would want their life filled with so many damn notifications. Half of these seem more appropriate for email, and email is already set up to handle them with zero configuration (like GitHub). Twitter, who cares, that’s a time waster. Home surveillance stuff is also a waste of time. It is basically entirely ineffective, every petty criminal knows to wear a mask and clearance rates…

Thank God that you’re here to make sure that people don’t enjoy the wrong things.

Lots of people enjoy harmful addictions. Not saying this one is, but sometimes it can be helpful to be reminded to consider your goals.

I’ve had plenty of projects change scope once someone has told me “why don’t you just do X?”

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

#110
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Home surveillance stuff is also a waste of time. It is basically entirely ineffective, every petty criminal knows to wear a mask and clearance rates are below 15%. This is very context-dependent. If I lived in a large city somewhere and was often not at home, sure - but I live in a small town and am almost always home. "Home surveillance stuff" notifies me when something unexpected is happening on my property and l…

Exactly. Even in a relatively dense location, I have a new automation that runs when my cameras detect a person, both blaring a siren outside as well as notifying me in the house. Now about half a dozen times, it has stopped someone from getting farther than a few feet on the property, whereas without it I had people sneaking around looking for unlocked doors.

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