This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…
>My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. This makes it sound like kids across the board are getting smarter and more knowledgeable. Then why are so many headlines saying the opposite? "U.S. reading and math scores drop to lowest level in decades" or "Children's IQs are getting lower, US study finds" etc etc. Even if it's clickbait, I'm not seeing any "kids are getting smarter" clickbait.
Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#102This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…
> It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Or they are angry because by taking away the iPad you are interrupting their dopamine rush. Whether your iPad + Internet/social media/YouTube is engaging them to fullest maximizing growth potentiat…
Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#103This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…
For example, try Kidzovo an app that curates learning content for kids, makes it interactive so kids are not only watching it passively. And we intersperse it with general questions like: "Why should you be nice to your neighbor?" and then parents can hear their kids' responses in the parents' section of the app.
Disclaimed: I work for Kidzovo.
Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
it really depends on what you want to learn. personally I don't believe that 5 minute trivia is going to be worth a dime in the AI ridden world Og tomorrow.
Og loves trivia ! Og can recite plenty of them !
Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
An accessable cite for the above claim that neuroplasticity not existing in adults is a myth. https://solportal.ibe-unesco.org/articles/neuroplasticity-ho...
This feels like arguing against a straw man. I don't think anyone generally says that a brain can't change once you're an adult. If that were the case you wouldn't be able to learn anything at all. Clearly we all can learn as adults so there is neuroplasticity as adults. The general argument that I hear which is true (from all I've seen and read) is that neuroplasticity is greatly reduced in adults as compared to chi…
The easiest example for me is learning guitar - I started when I was 5 and got pretty damn good over the years. It would be difficult to repeat that now in my 30s, but at least part of that difficulty would be because I can't really devote 3-4 hours a day nearly every day to it like I did as a bored kid out in the country. To be clear, I'm sure the differences in neuroplasticity come from both behavioral and neurological differences. It's just fun to think about how much is set in stone and how much could theoretically be "exercised" so to speak, and how much of the neurological changes are actually due in part to the behavioral changes as we age.
Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#106Using prediction error as the definition of curiosity rings hollow for me. Curiosity in my mind is more about mapping out an unexplored thing and not about being surprised.
It's not a complete definition for a number of reasons, but it's a crucial component of curiousity. If you're not surprised at any point in mapping out an unexplored thing, in what sense is it unexplored? There are pretty high odds you've never been to this exact page before: https://oeis.org/A000079 . But once you click on it, is there any remaining curiosity? It's an unexplored thing, in the sense that (I presume)…
I'm trying to imagine the simplest case, say a button you could press and every time you pressed it something entirely random would happen, always guaranteeing surprise. It would have a great deal of novelty at first but after a while it would cease to hold your attention even though your prediction of what would happen would never be accurate. I'd bet that after a while you might even never bother to push it again. The only way you would be convinced to push it consistently would be a) if you were assigned a reward for pushing it e.g. money in which case it is a slot machine or b) if by pushing it you could somehow reduce your uncertainty about what would happen which would as a by product reduce your surprise.
Thinking about it this way, surprise is certainly a key element at first. It grabs your attention initially but it doesn't hold it. What keeps you focused on exploring the thing that surprised you initially is the learning process which involves reducing prediction error i.e. reducing surprise. So there is a tension between the two.
The combination probably makes for a good exploration strategy. Initial surprise, look for a learnable pattern and follow it until another surprise, maybe backtrack and try other familiar patterns until those are exhausted and then investigate each sequence that led to a surprise by recursing through these steps.
This would also explain the example where my curiosity was prompted by the unknown link but I was not motivated to explore further. The website wasn't interesting to me because it was too unfamiliar and I wasn't able to find any familiar routes to explore through it due to my lack of interest in that area of mathematics but our hypothetical mathematician with a fondness for integers would see lots of familiar patterns they could explore attached to which are likely some enticingly unknown and surprising links.
Thanks for the prompt to think about this more!
Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)
#107This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…
I actually researched writing a proxy that would intercept and rewrite Youtube's JSON API responses with pre-selected, educational videos. This is how much I hate their recommendation algorithm. That way, the Youtube app appears to work the same. It's just that those videos that are blacklisted in the recommendation response, e.g. all the videos with the word 'minecraft' in the title, would be replaced with Youtube s…
A proxy-as-a-service that allows you to interject alternative recommendations for your kids to watch.
Allow the parents to whitelist certain channels. Blacklist specific keywords - 'minecraft', 'fortnite', 'mrbeast'.