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Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

>My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. This makes it sound like kids across the board are getting smarter and more knowledgeable. Then why are so many headlines saying the opposite? "U.S. reading and math scores drop to lowest level in decades" or "Children's IQs are getting lower, US study finds" etc etc. Even if it's clickbait, I'm not seeing any "kids are getting smarter" clickbait.

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

> It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Or they are angry because by taking away the iPad you are interrupting their dopamine rush. Whether your iPad + Internet/social media/YouTube is engaging them to fullest maximizing growth potentiat…

Isn't the dopamine rush from fulfilling their curiosity?

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

I think instead of Youtube, pick apps that curate content on your behalf.

For example, try Kidzovo an app that curates learning content for kids, makes it interactive so kids are not only watching it passively. And we intersperse it with general questions like: "Why should you be nice to your neighbor?" and then parents can hear their kids' responses in the parents' section of the app.

Disclaimed: I work for Kidzovo.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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it really depends on what you want to learn. personally I don't believe that 5 minute trivia is going to be worth a dime in the AI ridden world Og tomorrow.

Og loves trivia ! Og can recite plenty of them !

A keyboard that supports multiple languages sometimes makes these corrections :) (Og is the Danish word for "and")

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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An accessable cite for the above claim that neuroplasticity not existing in adults is a myth. https://solportal.ibe-unesco.org/articles/neuroplasticity-ho...

This feels like arguing against a straw man. I don't think anyone generally says that a brain can't change once you're an adult. If that were the case you wouldn't be able to learn anything at all. Clearly we all can learn as adults so there is neuroplasticity as adults. The general argument that I hear which is true (from all I've seen and read) is that neuroplasticity is greatly reduced in adults as compared to chi…

I'm not an expert at all but have also thought about this quite a bit. Neuroplasticity is definitely reduced in adults, but so is free time and exposure to novel inputs. As we get older, a higher proportion of experiences are routine or at least things we've seen before, and we have far less free time. We are also increasingly behaving based on biases we accumulate and familiar patterns and just not using the parts of our brain we use for learning as much anymore. I often wonder if it's partly a kind of atrophy and whether you might be able to restore some neuroplasticity by "practicing." A related idea that occurs to me is that as you get older and learn about the world, you tend to trade curious openness for useful heuristics to some degree just to make life easier and more efficient.

The easiest example for me is learning guitar - I started when I was 5 and got pretty damn good over the years. It would be difficult to repeat that now in my 30s, but at least part of that difficulty would be because I can't really devote 3-4 hours a day nearly every day to it like I did as a bored kid out in the country. To be clear, I'm sure the differences in neuroplasticity come from both behavioral and neurological differences. It's just fun to think about how much is set in stone and how much could theoretically be "exercised" so to speak, and how much of the neurological changes are actually due in part to the behavioral changes as we age.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Using prediction error as the definition of curiosity rings hollow for me. Curiosity in my mind is more about mapping out an unexplored thing and not about being surprised.

It's not a complete definition for a number of reasons, but it's a crucial component of curiousity. If you're not surprised at any point in mapping out an unexplored thing, in what sense is it unexplored? There are pretty high odds you've never been to this exact page before: https://oeis.org/A000079 . But once you click on it, is there any remaining curiosity? It's an unexplored thing, in the sense that (I presume)…

True, I was thinking this over and I can see where surprise plays a part in curiosity but I don't think it's the main driver. I think your example shows this because when I click on the link out of curiosity it's because I don't have a good prediction for what will be on the other end of it. If I were a simple neural net then the outputs I would produce when seeing that link would be mostly similar across all the categories I could predict since I've never seen this url and there is little in it that allows me to predict what type of content it leads to. I am surprised to see the link since I couldn't predict it, so that's a point in favor of this approach, and I am also surprised by the content I see after clicking on it although only mildly because I didn't have a good prediction to start with. You're right that after I click on it I have very little curiosity to find out more about it but I think that is the key difference. The rest of that site remains an unexplored place, I've only seen one page of it which it seems would be a very small fraction of all of it. So why am I not curious about the rest of it and more crucially, what would make me curious to explore it? I could imagine someone with a particular love of mathematics being able to exercise their curiosity on that page but is that because they would be surprised by what they found after clicking on each link or entering a new sequence? What would drive them to explore it? I think that speaks to the problem, if you optimize for surprise then the ideal reward is paying attention to an infinite number of TV channels (or a page with a bunch of links you've never seen before leading to different pages you've never seen) but I wouldn't call that curiosity.

I'm trying to imagine the simplest case, say a button you could press and every time you pressed it something entirely random would happen, always guaranteeing surprise. It would have a great deal of novelty at first but after a while it would cease to hold your attention even though your prediction of what would happen would never be accurate. I'd bet that after a while you might even never bother to push it again. The only way you would be convinced to push it consistently would be a) if you were assigned a reward for pushing it e.g. money in which case it is a slot machine or b) if by pushing it you could somehow reduce your uncertainty about what would happen which would as a by product reduce your surprise.

Thinking about it this way, surprise is certainly a key element at first. It grabs your attention initially but it doesn't hold it. What keeps you focused on exploring the thing that surprised you initially is the learning process which involves reducing prediction error i.e. reducing surprise. So there is a tension between the two.

The combination probably makes for a good exploration strategy. Initial surprise, look for a learnable pattern and follow it until another surprise, maybe backtrack and try other familiar patterns until those are exhausted and then investigate each sequence that led to a surprise by recursing through these steps.

This would also explain the example where my curiosity was prompted by the unknown link but I was not motivated to explore further. The website wasn't interesting to me because it was too unfamiliar and I wasn't able to find any familiar routes to explore through it due to my lack of interest in that area of mathematics but our hypothetical mathematician with a fondness for integers would see lots of familiar patterns they could explore attached to which are likely some enticingly unknown and surprising links.

Thanks for the prompt to think about this more!

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

I actually researched writing a proxy that would intercept and rewrite Youtube's JSON API responses with pre-selected, educational videos. This is how much I hate their recommendation algorithm. That way, the Youtube app appears to work the same. It's just that those videos that are blacklisted in the recommendation response, e.g. all the videos with the word 'minecraft' in the title, would be replaced with Youtube s…

This might be a good idea for a SaaS.

A proxy-as-a-service that allows you to interject alternative recommendations for your kids to watch.

Allow the parents to whitelist certain channels. Blacklist specific keywords - 'minecraft', 'fortnite', 'mrbeast'.

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