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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

Ubuntu mostly, and I have plenty of experience with Linux distros since Slackware 2.0 in 1995, so no need for the typical answer that I am holding it wrong, once upon a time I jumped across distros on regular basis.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

I don’t think it’s a problem to need to download extra keyboard layouts tbh, especially in a smaller image.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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This problem with Linux is pretty much gone and has been for a couple years now.

So ... all the windows games now run on Linux? That would be news to me. And I was just recently messing with drivers, kernels etc to get a working result, but in the end I still could not play the (officially supported) game on Linux that I wanted (opposed to just works on windows), so good for you that your problems went away, but please note, that other people might have had other experiences.

The vast majority just run out of the box with steam now, often with better performance than windows.

Quite a few that use other launchers are "plug and play" installs with lutris (like WoW).

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#104

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This problem with Linux is pretty much gone and has been for a couple years now.

So ... all the windows games now run on Linux? That would be news to me. And I was just recently messing with drivers, kernels etc to get a working result, but in the end I still could not play the (officially supported) game on Linux that I wanted (opposed to just works on windows), so good for you that your problems went away, but please note, that other people might have had other experiences.

Name a game and it probably works on linux these days.

My favourite games all do, but I'm already using consoles exclusively for my gaming because I was unhappy being held prisoner.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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post #86

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It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

That just isn’t important. The point is that the average non-techy person would be overwhelmed by the average Linux install. Regardless of distro. That’s Linux’s biggest cross to bear

They would also be overwhelmed by the average Windows install if they had to perform it themselves. However, these days you can get laptops with Linux preinstalled, even from mainstream OEMs like Dell or HP.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

The Store doesn't require an account for free apps or updates.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#107
post #40

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

With the risk of linking to 4chan; there is a /g/ guide to how to navigate Windows and it recommends exactly this.[0] However: I do not publicly endorse software piracy, and so do not recommend using this guide; legitimate LTSC licenses are only possible to come by for Businesses with a minimum spend of 5 licenses.[1] :( [0]: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/98121318 [1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…

I absolutely love how the opening image is Madobe Nanami.

Stay awesome, 4chan.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#108

One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to. There are carrots like a fancy new feature, or sticks like “we’re not supporting this anymore, so if you want your computer to be secure you need to upgrade.” A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it…

> One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to.

More fundamentally, how do they convince users to continue spending money?

> A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it to and does so reliably. In a lot of ways the OS is a solved problem, but the companies who make them still need to pay the bills for all the security work that will always need to be done.

Exactly. Consumer desktop/laptop operating systems (Linux/MacOS/Windows) have been largely stagnant for years, at least in terms of offering meaningfully better ways to get things done[1]. That's a problem for the commercial offerings: why would anyone buy the new version if it doesn't do anything new/better than its predecessor?

Microsoft's path is pretty clear: the OS is evolving into an internet terminal. Consumers don't pay for the OS: they pay a subscription to do anything, with features increasingly delivered online and, crucially, all their data "managed" (aka controlled by) by Microsoft too. Device sales don't matter first order in that model: it's a dumb terminal. But Microsoft has to keep the device manufacturers sweet: it's imperative consumers use Microsoft's dumb terminal, because it's connected to Microsoft's services. It would be a disaster if HP, Dell et al decided to use some other front end. Microsoft will do whatever it takes to remain the dominant desktop.

Apple has more of a dilemma. It's always been about the integrated experience, and hardware sales are a first-order driver of revenue and profitability. So it needs to keep consumers buying hardware as well as trying to up its rental offerings (iCloud etc). Moving to its own silicon has powered that for the last few years (more supply chain control, better performance, and good marketing on why it's better).

>It makes me wonder if Apple (for example) put macOS into a no-new-features mode and just improved security from here-on-out what the long term effects would be for users and the industry.

That's arguably what MacOS has been for the last few years: security updates plus support for their own silicon.

Beyond the hype, LLMs possibly offer an opportunity for a notable change in desktop interaction (note 'change' not necessarily 'better' - I'm withholding judgement on that). An OS that could respond to users' queries/instructions directly could be better than having to click about semi-randomly to find the right menu option.

[1] which doesn't detract from e.g. security upgrades, different peripheral connection standards, hardware improvements, etc.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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This problem with Linux is pretty much gone and has been for a couple years now.

So ... all the windows games now run on Linux? That would be news to me. And I was just recently messing with drivers, kernels etc to get a working result, but in the end I still could not play the (officially supported) game on Linux that I wanted (opposed to just works on windows), so good for you that your problems went away, but please note, that other people might have had other experiences.

Not all, kernel level anticheat with the big multiplayer games is a problem these days (areweanticheatyet.com), but other than that, most titles work.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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post #101

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It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

Ubuntu mostly, and I have plenty of experience with Linux distros since Slackware 2.0 in 1995, so no need for the typical answer that I am holding it wrong, once upon a time I jumped across distros on regular basis.

If you have hardware that has linux support then everything should work at install time or after install. Ubuntu also has a dedicated program to show you the available proprietary drivers you might want to use.

Unless you your hardware is so new that it requires the very latest kernel then you should be golden.

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