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An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

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Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#101

I always wondered if there would be a market for smaller scale apps. I'm thinking something sold through an app "farmer's market". This could be a Patreon/Etsy style platform where maybe app devs would do streamed live coding or Q/A sessions every Saturday morning, ideally wearing denim overalls.

How would a "smaller scale apps farmer's market" be different from random freelancing?

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#102
post #19

This is poetry. I have been working on a personal project for the last 10 years that replaces every other app I used to use - E-mail, calendar, and all the others we all use on a daily basis - and every time someone sees me using it they ask "Wow, this is amazing, how do I download it!?", and the answer is always the same: you don't. There's a beauty to engineering something having yourself as the target user, and no…

> There's a beauty to engineering something having yourself as the target user, and no one else. 100%, I'm following a similar approach to you with yet another notes app solely for my own use. Have you written more about your personal project anywhere? One thing I only realised once I started building my own tools, is that you become - from day one - an unmatched world-class expert in using that tool. This seems obvi…

One of the worst things in the world is explaining how it works to someone else, then watching them use it poorly.

I have a convenience tool I made for myself, but shared with my coworkers. I deeply regret sharing it because nobody knows how to use it effectively

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#103
I'd rather home-cook and take regular walks around the district, than having to spend even more time w/ tech after for work. Work is already kind of fulfilling, even as a manager, when you still can dabble with lower-level things and tools work. But spending your pasttime on more tech? Thats so sad, seriously.

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#104

I’ve been wanting to make something along this spirit. A personal social network. No influencers. No ads. It rides on existing messaging rails (email, SMS, IM…) for distribution. You just post stuff to your feed, and your contacts get a notification when appropriate.

IMO the technical part of this is easier than the social part. I've been hosting a Matrix server for years, and use it to talk to my wife and one friend.

One relative tried it but would ignore messages (iOS notification system design is bad, but their home screen is disorganized too), and would constantly revert to iMessage/SMS/MMS. Two other relatives who are in a WhatsApp group with me pretty much refused with "But I can talk to you on WhatsApp just fine?", or "Who am I going to talk to on there?". Ironically does not stop them from downloading Viber, Instagram etc. Thankfully, the WhatsApp bridge + Matrix client works for 95% of the use cases.

Thus, I am happy that the author's efforts found good use and were appreciated.

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#106

I love this sentiment. I built a beer inventory app exclusively for myself + guests picking a drink to try when when they’re over at my house. I’m up to 26 “users” over the past few years, but most of them just browse on my phone when they need another drink. When I talk about the app, some people immediately jump to other inventory problems in their own lives: Can you make it work for my wine fridge? Could I keep tr…

> In more of a work context, I think internal tooling for specific users or teams can feel similarly empowering. When you have an intentionally-constrained set of users, finding product-market fit and making sure the solution actually works for their needs becomes the only goal. And with so few users, it’s easy to keep tabs on what is and isn’t working for them.

I've seen a few of these and they always fall into (non-)maintenance hell once the dev (it's always just one, because the business can't spare a whole team for something like this) leaves, or until the next re-org (read: almost certainly less than two years from any random point in time) when the responsibilities of the team it was built for are divided among other teams, or outsourced to a body shop like CapGemini that won't use it (because they can replace the functionality with an army of managers with spreadsheets, all of which they can bill for).

In short, I think it's largely a fantasy to develop custom software for small userbases on economic grounds (at least for nontechnical users using typical "real" stacks -- spreadsheets and "programmer tools" are a different story), which is kind of the point of this piece.

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#107
post #7

> When you liberate programming from the requirement to be professional and scalable, it becomes a different activity altogether, just as cooking at home is really nothing like cooking in a commercial kitchen. What if you have never cooked at home but all the time in a commercial kitchen? That's the reality for most of us here so it is a bit difficult to relate to this article.

I think you are incorrectly extrapolating to the entire community based on your personal experience. You are assuming that most of the readers at this site are working in a similar professional context that you do. You are also assuming, but all of those people who work in a professional context, do not also “cook at home.” It’s OK if you did not relate to the article. But I certainly did!

For what it's worth, I think HN audience by nature of spending their free time learning about interesting techy things is more likely to be doing their own "home cooking".

I agree with the sentiment of the poster above if applied to the majority of professional software devs though.

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#108

> In a better world, I would have built this in a day, using some kind of modern, flexible HyperCard for iOS. How much we have lost.

To be fair: this app would not have existed on the desktop. Our families don't like to sit at a desk for hours, fighting with imaginary concepts, like we do.

The mobile world brought the masses to computing in a way that desktop never could. Unfortunately, the company with the best intuitions in the space also happened to be the most closed, paranoid, and sociopathic entity in the market.

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#109

On a much smaller scale: This was my exact sentiment some time ago after remapping a bunch of keys, along with "why didn’t I think of this sooner ". It still feels magical to this day and removes 90% of annoyances when typing. Using standard keyboard layouts is like riding a toy sized tricycle now.

What are some of your favorite remaps?

Re: An app can be a home-cooked meal (2020)

#110
> In our actual world, I built it in about a week, and roughly half of that time was spent wrestling with different flavors of code-signing and identity provisioning and I don’t even know what. I burned some incense and threw some stones and the gods of Xcode allowed me to pass.

This resonated with me.

This is a major source of friction to "scratching your own itch" in modern software development. Makes it extremely painful to get started. And runs against an engineering mindset, as it's not understanding principles of computing or composing components in a sensible way to build a useful new thing. It's just banging your head spamming incantations found through Google until something finally works.

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