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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by ranger_danger »

runjake wrote: post #93
PedroBatista wrote: post #14

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

The article states that Mozilla is far from dying and that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox.

it's only not dead yet because google is paying them to try to "avoid" being anti-competitive themselves. they're the single biggest investor by far.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by toomuchtodo »

asystole wrote: post #27
phpisthebest wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Everything coming out of them recently, including the mailshots I see and even the onboarding copy, seems to indicate they see themselves as a political advocacy org first and a browser developer second.

Developing and operating open technology is political advocacy. Technology and its implementation is simply the expression of the ideology, rights, etc. Leadership choices, as well as their efficacy and compensation is still an important discussion.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by mlinksva »

ls612 wrote: post #82

What's the over/under on Firefox still existing in 2030? Man that's a depressing thing to have to say but that feels like that's where things are heading?

Play money, but https://manifold.markets/quther/will-mozilla-still-maintain-... has "Will Mozilla still maintain Firefox in 2030?" at 71%

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by wmf »

peyton wrote: post #94
wmf wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She answers to the board. I guess they're happy with her.

There’s an implicit public interest. You don’t get to do whatever you feel like just because you decide not to pay taxes.

Yes, the board is supposed to represent the public interest.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by ranger_danger »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #80
Riverheart wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

I use FF is my daily driver for home stuff; work in chrome/edge. When I see things that are wrong, I point them out. We can champion FF for the good things it does and absolutely we can bash CxO club for slowly running it to the ground. Not accurate, this is likely one of the few ways we can exert some minimal level of influence over this. And besides, what did not complaining ever achieve?

> what did not complaining ever achieve?

self-satisfaction and just being a better person

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

#106

Post by ZeroGravitas »

macspoofing wrote: post #15

Maybe, at some point the Mozilla Foundation will acknowledge Firefox as the fundamental pillar of their relevance and existence ... instead of seeing it as this vestigial organ that they can't 'cut loose'[1] ... one can hope. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mark-surman-mozilla-25-y...

The word 'cut' and 'loose' don't appear in that linked blog post. Nor does the general idea you are suggesting.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by bakugo »

runjake wrote: post #93
PedroBatista wrote: post #14

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

The article states that Mozilla is far from dying and that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox.

>that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox

And Firefox is their only worthwhile product, so moving away from Firefox means they're dying.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

#109

Post by Riverheart »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #80
Riverheart wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

I use FF is my daily driver for home stuff; work in chrome/edge. When I see things that are wrong, I point them out. We can champion FF for the good things it does and absolutely we can bash CxO club for slowly running it to the ground. Not accurate, this is likely one of the few ways we can exert some minimal level of influence over this. And besides, what did not complaining ever achieve?

No offense but how is the CxO club running it into the ground exactly?

By not being on the default browser on their operating system? By not marketing it on their world used search engine?

The community was the biggest factor Mozilla had in its favor and the community jumped to Chrome and here we are. It’s nice that you still use FF but their market share makes it clear that you and I are exceptions.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by kbrosnan »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #38
username1228023 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been critical of Mozilla for a long time, and Mitchell has not been a good leader for the last ~10 years or so. Having said that, Mitchell was instrumental to several very important things, not all of them in the distant past. She also went years taking annual salary lower than she probably should have been taking. It frankly wouldn't be unreasonable to grant her lifetime emeritus status that comes with a no-str…

> She also went years taking annual salary lower than she probably should have been taking. It frankly wouldn't be unreasonable to grant her lifetime emeritus status that comes with a no-strings-attached $1–2 million annual salary to sit on her hands and do nothing. Sorry, what? She was underpaid for a few years, so should get a couple mil forever now? Can you at least list out the "several important things?"

It is closer to 20 years. She was a founding member of Mozilla. Look back at the early financial statements, in a vacuum a few 100k to several 100k sounds like a lot. When you compare it to other executives in the Bay Area or the US she was significantly under paid compared to peers. Especially when considering stock options. What would it cost Mozilla to hire someone else?

Before someone here says that they would be the CEO for less money than Mitchell. Can you get an appointment with the vice president of search at Google and Microsoft? Could you call their bosses and get though?

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