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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by briandear »

b112 wrote: post #81
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. The era of Pii as a commodity is coming to a close. The writing is on the wall for this. Once that happens, free email will vanish. Poof. Gone. So will many other "free" online things. This period of most people getting free email is really quite short historically. A decade. (Many people used to get email addresses from…

How poor are people that a low cost email service is too expensive? $5 a month for Europeans or Americans would be nothing. Think how much poor people spend on stamps.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by [deleted] »

gtirloni wrote: post #94
judge2020 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

How does anyone have trust in their governments to provide even basic services? Not where I live. Still, I'd prefer to try and fix it (for various levels of "fixing") than throw the baby with the bathwater. It's an imperfect system but trusting a corporation is no better.

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by parasubvert »

judge2020 wrote: post #89
blcknight wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

A lot of people really want mass surveillance? Not even kidding. Cultures vary.

Trust in government is more common than not throughout the world, because the government is us. Americans in particular struggle with this concept.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by anticensor »

hadrien01 wrote: post #87
blcknight wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

The French post office does offer an email service: https://www.laposte.net/accueil

Can it communicate with outside email? Some countries have a similar service that cannot communicate with outside email.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by ekianjo »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

Government is the entity I trust the least with my communication. No thanks.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by sp332 »

briandear wrote: post #101
b112 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. The era of Pii as a commodity is coming to a close. The writing is on the wall for this. Once that happens, free email will vanish. Poof. Gone. So will many other "free" online things. This period of most people getting free email is really quite short historically. A decade. (Many people used to get email addresses from…

How poor are people that a low cost email service is too expensive? $5 a month for Europeans or Americans would be nothing. Think how much poor people spend on stamps.

Poor enough that they don’t have a bank account to pay for the email service.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by wolverine876 »

huhtenberg wrote: post #90

We go through this every few months. Here's the recipe - 1. Visit https://olcsupport.office.com/ and submit the complaint. 2. Wait for the auto-reply, followed by the "Nothing was detected" email. 3. Reply to the latter with "Escalate" in the body. Within a day, they hammer shit in place and the block is removed.

Do they ever respond? Maybe the block comes and goes, and has nothing to do with attempts to contact Microsoft?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by [deleted] »

lesuorac wrote: post #80
cogman10 wrote: post #76

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Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by uxp8u61q »

Avamander wrote: post #65
Dalewyn wrote: post #13

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This. Microsoft, Google, et al. aren't doing anything worthy of criticism here; it's the spammers who ruin email for the rest of us who should be facing the music.

Until it's not illegal it's only going to get worse.

Spamming is illegal.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by xorcist »

gtirloni wrote: post #94
judge2020 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

How does anyone have trust in their governments to provide even basic services? Not where I live. Still, I'd prefer to try and fix it (for various levels of "fixing") than throw the baby with the bathwater. It's an imperfect system but trusting a corporation is no better.

Do you not make the distinction between government and state in your language?

The government usually provide little service, but the state do. The question whether you trust it as a single entity is a bit hard to understand. Do you mean trust that my father gets his pension? Or that my kids get a good education? Or that my neighbor who is a doctor can provide decent health care?

I probably trust some of those more and some less, depending on the circumstance. But basing trust on funding model seems intellectually .. challenging. Would I trust a university teacher more if the employer is not a state university? Would I trust a policeman more if working for a private security company?

Not likely. Trust is based on other factors, including reputation and competence.

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