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Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by grungyneer »

jmyeet wrote: post #77
Y_Y wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thisnis the internet, no need to post half remembered fragments. I'm sure the judge you're referring to is the notorious Rodney Gilstrap. Plenty of good info on that operation, e.g. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/east-texas-judge...

That was, I believe, they judge they wanted to get in front of. At one point there was another judge in that district that they didn't want to get in front of and a law firm just so happened to employ the second judge's son (? IIRC).

Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley didn't recuse herself from hearing the Microsoft-Activision FTC case just because her son works at Microsoft (and ruled in msfts favor!)

So are recusals for such conflicts really optional?

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/will-the-biggest-tech-mer...

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by nickpp »

hnbad wrote: post #43
nickpp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unencumbered free markets. Same system that got us the unimaginable (just a few generations ago) wealth we live in right now.

> us Who's that? Last I checked the US has a sizeable homeless population, a vast amount of people in precarious working conditions and most Americans would be financially ruined by a single major accident or health issue. I don't think people "just a few generations ago" would consider them to have unimaginable wealth unless you want to focus on the reduced costs of consumer goods rather than access to food, shelter…

> Who's that?

The great majority of people living today. We currently have the historically lowest percentage of people living in poverty ever. Check out the statistics. Of course it’s not 100% but it’s never been better.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by nickpp »

hiatus wrote: post #32
nickpp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unencumbered free markets. Same system that got us the unimaginable (just a few generations ago) wealth we live in right now.

Patents have been a thing in the US since 1790 (even earlier, technically, as they are specifically called out in the constitution). What period of unencumbered free markets are you referring to?

USA was quite the “intellectual pirate” before that though:

https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-eur...

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by edanm »

dlenski wrote: post #9

BS patents are bad, and patents lasting 20+ years are bad, but if someone's gonna get maimed by them… I can hardly think of a more deserving victim than Apple.

> patents lasting 20+ years are bad

Why do you say that?

Do you disagree with the idea that patents promote innovation? Or do you think that 20 years specifically is too long, and if so, based on what analysis?

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by hasty_pudding »

devilbunny wrote: post #81
bdowling wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be the obvious solution, but it’s not surprising they couldn’t agree on a price when they operate in very different industries. Masimo makes medical devices, ones whose prices are probably both high and skewed by insurance. Apple is a consumer devices company and may not be able to justify a high royalty price and still meet certain consumer price points. Another possibility is that Apple’s watches may be…

Apple isn’t going to go into medical devices that are certified for diagnostic use unless they’re nuts. There’s a lot of money there, but it’s hard to get and way outside their core businesses. That $8 pulse oximeter from aliexpress is better than nothing, but it’s a long way from what Masimo or Medtronic (Nellcor) sell. And the prices for oximeters aren’t really affected by insurance, as individuals almost never get…

This such an interesting thread.

Thanks for the info.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by hasty_pudding »

bdowling wrote: post #37
hasty_pudding wrote: post #12

Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

That would be the obvious solution, but it’s not surprising they couldn’t agree on a price when they operate in very different industries. Masimo makes medical devices, ones whose prices are probably both high and skewed by insurance. Apple is a consumer devices company and may not be able to justify a high royalty price and still meet certain consumer price points. Another possibility is that Apple’s watches may be…

Thanks, good points

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by hasty_pudding »

doix wrote: post #22
hasty_pudding wrote: post #12

Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

There was another article with this quote[0]: > “If they don’t want to use our chip, I’ll work with them to make their product good,” Mr. Kiani said. “Once it’s good enough, I’m happy to give them a license.” It sounds like they didn't just want some money. They wanted them to use their chip or partner with them. I am no Apple fan, but telling them to politely fuck off seems reasonable to me. [0] https://www.nytimes.…

Ah thanks for the info, That makes a lot of sense.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by effingwewt »

JulianWasTaken wrote: post #30
dlenski wrote: post #9

BS patents are bad, and patents lasting 20+ years are bad, but if someone's gonna get maimed by them… I can hardly think of a more deserving victim than Apple.

Are you intimating Apple has been litigious with patents? Or just saying you have no sympathy for companies with lots of money? (This isn't a leading question, I have no informed opinion about Apple specifically.)

When smartphones became ubiquitous they patented multi-touch, meaning those of us with early android phones had to spend hours hacking the capability into out devices.Pretty sure the original XDA threads are still up.

Then there was the previously mentioned rounded corners etc.

This is all the end result of allowing businesses to perform regulatory capture.

'Bout time it bit apple in the ass

We live in a world where companies want us beholden to them and not the other way around.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by evandale »

chuckhendo wrote: post #95
unsupp0rted wrote: post #83

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They tend to support their old devices for 5-10 years

Exactly. I don't know where people get this about Apple. There are so many things that one could criticize Apple about, but older hardware support is not one of them

My custom built desktop that runs Linux/Windows is going on 24 years old. I don't think 10 year old electronics are anything worth writing home about.

Apple also writes horrible software and breaks perfectly fine APIs with every OS release to eventually force you into hardware upgrades.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by hnbad »

nickpp wrote: post #102
hnbad wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> us Who's that? Last I checked the US has a sizeable homeless population, a vast amount of people in precarious working conditions and most Americans would be financially ruined by a single major accident or health issue. I don't think people "just a few generations ago" would consider them to have unimaginable wealth unless you want to focus on the reduced costs of consumer goods rather than access to food, shelter…

> Who's that? The great majority of people living today. We currently have the historically lowest percentage of people living in poverty ever. Check out the statistics. Of course it’s not 100% but it’s never been better.

Sure, depending on how you define poverty, how you measure it and how you interpret the numbers. For the record, the poverty line defined by most of the statistics you're likely thinking of is below starvation levels, even in many underdeveloped countries.

Show me statistics that don't make the basic mistake of considering moneyless hunter-gatherer societies equivalent to homeless people without money and we can maybe begin to have a conversation about the development of poverty and wealth over the ages.

In the meantime you're dodging the bulk of my question. When did things improve as drastically as you claim and what changed in terms of patent law that makes you think this improvement is being reversed or how do you see any suggestion of a causative link between market regulations and this decline? Also, how does your argument that we live in the best of times fit into this argument?

If we live in the historically best of times in terms of wealth and poverty but the current regulations and IP laws are making all of us worse off, that suggests you can point at some points where these laws and regulations were introduced or tightened followed by a decline in metrics you consider significant. I'd like you to spell out what you think these are (patents only seem to be part of it and even that is unclear as patents aren't new) and explain which metrics you think they had an impact on and what the scale of that impact was.

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