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Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by nosefurhairdo »

benrutter wrote: post #96

I love this. I've seen a lot of similar "use HTML as HTML" type things recently (probably a lot coming from the HATEOAS crowd). I'm not a web developer, and I really don't understand how we've ended up in this state where: - web starts as a means to share documents, HTML is built around that - eventually people want to build general applications (a la google docs) so they build tools that let you build non-document t…

HATEOAS = Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (in case this saves a search).

The JavaScript tools for building web applications are nice when used correctly. I can't imagine the product I work on would be easier to build with HTMX, but perhaps I'm ignorant. I wonder though, are there more enjoyable, non-web UI engines out there? Given that web app UI was glued together on top of a document sharing platform, it makes me think native UI dev should be more coherent.

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by butz »

What a breath of fresh air is browsing simple websites, where content in mainly text and images are sparingly used. All "modern" websites are so tiring. Now if website pops up anything on screen on first visit, be it newsletter signup, login request or just huge image covering whole viewport, I just switch to reader view.

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by khimaros »

axblount wrote: post #55

Has there been a serious attempt to define an html/css subset that achieves these kinds of goals? Something that a mere mortal could implement and would cover the vast majority of web designs? I understand the urge to throw out the old and replace it with a new system, but that would be a huge blow to accessiblilty and adoption.

maybe a good starting point would be the subset which is supported by dillo or elinks today?

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by darepublic »

marssaxman wrote: post #74
d-lisp wrote: post #18

In a sense OP wants E-ink screens and org/vimwiki/markdown. Styling is where the problem it claims to criticize begins; if you want a truly accessible hypertext book, then you don't need styling, the user should be in charge of this, and the default theme would be whatever easily readable font, black on white, headings 36pt bold, paragraphs 14pt regular, every elements as blocks. Epub, in usage, is actually a cool fo…

> it gives you the power to create experiences and share them almost effortlessly That's exactly where the hate comes from: I don't want you, the web designer, to have the power to create experiences, because you (collectively) use that power to force experiences on me that I don't want to have.

How is that different from native apps. I'd take the imposition of a website over the imposition to download a mobile app anytime

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by ghaff »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #71
infotainment wrote: post #8

Love it — I think something of value was lost when we collectively decided in 2005 that everyone’s page should look exactly the same (i.e. TheFacebook™ profiles) Sadly that, combined with the changes Google made to deprioritize results from personal sites like these, all but destroyed these neat bespoke pages.

I mean, that's because Facebook Pages are cheap. Businesses don't want to spend money on anything they don't have to, and people aren't much different. The argument for learning to write even basic HTML only to upload it even to something like Amazon S3 (free) and direct a web address to it (not free) or spend money on hosting to not have to learn how to deposit files into an S3 bucket is a LOT of time to spend to ac…

The other conclusion I've come to is that web designers way overcomplicate stuff. So I don't want to do a Facebook page. What are my relatively low-cost options?

Well, I can have a really basic HTML site but that's a little late-90s.

OK, a Wordpress site then. Now I'm dealing with introductory rates that shoot up after a year unless I just use a standard VPS and now I'm having to do a lot of stuff myself. And, as far as I can tell, most of the literally thousands of templates/themes out there don't make it straightforward to just have a nice homepage with a simple blog post that doesn't require a high-resolution photograph to go with it.

I'm probably settling on just sticking with Blogger using a new theme. I'm not really happy with that solution--but I'm not a web designer. I'm willing to spend some money but I haven't really found an answer I love.

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by ghaff »

Tomte wrote: post #89
flpm wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so true, it's almost like a return to the beginning (Yahoo Web Directory). We need to find a way to curate content that scales but in a way that eliminates the incentive for bad actors to try SEO-like approaches to game the process. That feels impossible without a feasible alternative to the ad-based revenue model.

Pinboard and similar bookmarking sites could play that role.

Blogrolls, folksonomies (tags), etc. just pretty much faded away once the web really went mainstream. How many people ever really used lists on Twitter?

Re: The "Cheap" Web

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Post by paulddraper »

darepublic wrote: post #106
marssaxman wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it gives you the power to create experiences and share them almost effortlessly That's exactly where the hate comes from: I don't want you, the web designer, to have the power to create experiences, because you (collectively) use that power to force experiences on me that I don't want to have.

How is that different from native apps. I'd take the imposition of a website over the imposition to download a mobile app anytime

It doesn't. But on HN everything is terrible and get off my lawn.
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