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Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

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Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#101
Wow, I read this whole article and it’s amazing how similar of an experience I had.

I ordered a fairly fancy mechanical keyboard and instead got a used motorcycle cover. I did a proper return through Amazon, they even said via live chat that they were processing the refund. But the refund never came.

After two months of back and forth with I filed the dispute with AMEX. Amazon disputed the charge back. I had to dispute the Amazon dispute. finally, Amex did end up refunding the money even though Amazon did not.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s about high time that Amazon disrupts the “leave it on the porch” method. Too many packages are stolen by thieves. And I mean, they’ve already started to some extend to deal with it. There are many cities I’ve been to that has Amazon delivery boxes where you can pick up your stuff. I think that when drones get powerful enough, and regulation allows it, Amazon will adopt drone delivery everywhere. You get…

"leave it on the porch" isn't even a thing in the UK, unless you specifically nominate it as your acceptable secure place. Amazon knock on the door, if you're not in then they'll come back tomorrow, and if you're not in, then they'll try the next day. If you're not in three days in a row they'll hold the package for three days, to give you time to arrange one final delivery attempt to your home, Amazon locker or pick…

Amazon leaves stuff on my porch most days in the UK.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#103
Always film yourself opening high value packages. For the author, it really boils down to circumstantial evidence. A photo of a box not containing the item isn’t proof of anything.

I’d even go further and make sure there’s uninterrupted video evidence showing delivery and opening of the package. Open them on your front porch in view of your doorbell camera.

If you’re a victim of a fraud like this, first make a police report of the theft. Then contact the merchant. If you aren’t given a refund or replacement within the same time period of the original delivery, start the dispute process with your bank. If that fails, take the matter to small claims court against the original merchant. This is where you can take your evidence to someone who is local and who doesn’t work for the merchant. They don’t care about whatever terms of service, procedures of the company and operate under the law.

Most of the time the company won’t even show up and if they do it likely will be one of their juniors from their legal staff.

As long as you have evidence and a police report, you’ll get a judgement in your favor. Once you get the judgement, if still within 90 days of the purchase, send it to your bank to have the chargeback redone.

If not within 90 days, you will need to collect from the merchant themselves. Send a copy of the judgement and a demand letter certified mail to the merchant. You need to check your local laws on how long they have to pay it.

If they don’t pay, you’ll need to go back to the judge in most cases and follow the process of civil seizure. Normally this involves the sheriff or local law enforcement. One of the easiest ways to collect is to show up to a local branch of a bank where the merchant has money and have the bank execute the seize money from their account.

If you can’t find their bank, or they have no money, you can show up with the judgement and law enforcement (call them when you get there or follow the process outlined by the judge, sometimes this involves the local sheriff). You can then seize any property that might be at the location.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#104

Fwiw...this reminded me I had a package ($90) not show up this week. I used their completely automated system and got refunded in 5 minutes. Message even says "if you find the package you can keep it." I think you need a lot of examples to draw any conclusions and self-reporting is going to be almost entirely negative experiences.

This is a result of their lax quality (flooded with ad hoc businesses selling garbage, counterfeits, inaccurate listings, etc). When you go that route and you're the size of Amazon, it actually makes more sense to completely side-step having to deal with the flood of customers unhappy with all these problems. Just give them their money back. Don't even bother trying to get the product back if it's missing. As a bonus, you get an image boost. It's more efficient than having a process to case-by-case deal with the results of their completely abandoning quality/trust at the point of sale.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#105

I don't think the conclusions presented are true. It seems to be a pretty "standard" case of theft that, unfortunately, yes these things often take time to resolve. And all of the "analysis" is just speculation. Does it suck that it took extra messages for the return to be acknowledged, and extra weeks for the refund to finally get approved and go through? For sure. Does this mean "Amazon has an honesty issue"? No. D…

Trying to shortcut the process by filing a chargeback isn't going to help anything. You only do that if Amazon ultimately denies the return. Maybe - but as he correctly mentions, in the UK, he's effectively buying the console from American Express because they gave him credit for it.

I don't see what that has to do with anything. You still wait for the Amazon return process to conclude one way or another.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#106
post #73

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When were profits negative? AFAIK Amazon.com may lose money but AWS more than makes up for it. Amazon.com is a long game to monopolize retail logistics , which they are just now starting to offer as a service to other retailers, meaning Amazon.com is of less importance.

Amazon was losing money for nearly the first decade of its existence. It was a bit of a laughing stock among the traditional business community: "Lose money on every sale, but make it up in volume!" The loses were considered astronomical at the time; in 2000, it lost over a billion dollars. The strategy was the right one, though. To put all of that in perspective, in 2018, it earned over 10 billion, and many business…

You are conflating Amazon with Amazon.com, and vice versa at your convenience. It's much too sloppy of analysis to sustain a worthy discussion.

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#107

Amazon (US) has really gone downhill in the past ~5 years. I signed up for Prime a over decade ago because of the reliable 2 day shipping. It worked pretty much as described. It was great. Shipping is no longer 2 days on most items - "Prime" shipping can now take 7 days. Amazon advertise same or next day shipping, but it's really only for big ticket, occasional purchase items. Most everyday purchases now take 3-7 day…

It's very location dependent. Where I live most stuff beats the 2 day estimate and it's not unheard of to order something in the afternoon and have it at the front door when I get back from dinner.

Friends in other locations seem to have more of your experiences. I actually dread ordering from anyone but Amazon since the shipping is such a crapshoot for usually the same money.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#108
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That's not my experience at all. Shipping is 1-2 days for nearly everything that is sold/shipped by Amazon, in my experience. Occasionally it's a day late. The idea that most shipping takes 3-7 days isn't my experience at all. Maybe you live somewhere more inaccessible? I always thought paying for Prime was about free shipping on small items anyways, not about faster speed.

To be fair, Amazon did have 2 day shipping to anywhere in the 48 states. That promise has now been removed. If you’re in a metro area you’ll still have it.

Yeah, have to be in the service area of an Amazon warehouse. If you are, it's great.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

#109

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The point at which Amazon denies this is the moment where they became negligently complicit.

Still a civil matter instead of a criminal matter. Amazon has the lawful right to both protect their interests and perform their process of refund (whatever errors and pauses they may make during this process). As such the state of mind necessary for criminal complicity has yet to be shown.

So what? You're not personally responsible for prosecuting Amazon. For that matter, neither are the cops. This tunnel-vision mode of thinking is how people talk themselves out of calling the police and the insurance company. The claims unit will want a police report number to start their process, and the fact both are now involved will exert direct pressure. So do it. The point is to be maximally assertive of any rights you have or may have, not playing legal billiards and negotiating against yourself in your head.

Re: Amazon Has an Honesty Issue

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post #76

This isn't just an Amazon problem. I requested a refund from Expedia because their search listed a hotel from another state with a city by the same name when I made a specific city & state search. Their search functionality clearly had a bug and we reserved a hotel in the wrong city. Upon realizing this an hour later we phoned Expedia who told us to phone the hotel; when we talked to the hotel the person that answere…

The problem is chargeback fraud has become rampant since COVID, at least from friends stories in the payments and retail spaces.

The word got out you can just call your bank and they will back you very few questions asked. This was abused by many, and now it's no longer a sure thing. Anything outside of outright fraud is very much a coin flip likely depending on how profitable you are to the issuing bank.

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