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The pro-Israel information war

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by stavros »

jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

If, generally, 99% of people are in favor of X, and 1% of people are in favor of Y, but on some platform 70% of posts are in favor of X, and 30% in favor of Y, which way does that platform skew?

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by nomoreusernames »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by jeromegv »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #45
master_crab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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That is your interpretation. Doesn’t mean it is true. Jewish organizations have joined the large pro-Palestinian marches in Toronto for example. It was a protest against the war and occupation, not about the religion.

It’s like saying that Israel marches are islamophobic. Saying it doesn’t make it true.

And yes, sometimes it does happen that there are antisemitic people that join those groups. But if they aren’t the organizers and are quickly excluded, we shouldn’t dismiss the whole movement. Some of us do not agree with the scale of the operations against civilians in Gaza, that is a valid view point.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by barbazoo »

flyinglizard wrote: post #78
seydor wrote: post #35

I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.

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> Anything other than an unequivocal win over Hamas will be unacceptable and lead to more violence down the line.

Some argue that "unequivocal win over Hamas" should be achieved without wiping out the rest of the population, housing, hospitals, infrastructure, etc

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by Terr_ »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

> An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views.

Treading a fine line here between Bayesian priors and stereotypes, but the worldwide Muslim/Jewish population split is something like 112:1. Obviously that's not going to be the same proportion on a given media-service, but it should still inform our expectations of what is the "default" state before theorizing about platform algorithm-tweaking or propaganda-campaigns.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by tdeck »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #45
master_crab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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Dismantling the Israeli ethnostate is not the same thing as destruction or genocide of people living in Israel. I've seen many cases where the former is wilfully misinterpreted as the latter.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by sjfjsjdjwvwvc »

KittenInABox wrote: post #61
mastazi wrote: post #42

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I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other. I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets. As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm th…

> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thi…

This conflict has been a huge thing since the 90s. I would argue the vast majority of people in the west had an opinion on that conflict.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by giraffe_lady »

sonotathrowaway wrote: post #93
Dalewyn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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These types of responses always skip over the most crucial parts of history: The IDF originally funneled money to the founder of Hamas in order to weaken popular support for Fatah, and Netanyahu facilitated Qatari payments to Hamas when it seemed that support for the Palestinian Authority was rising. His far right defense minister publicly resigned, saying that Netanyahu was financing terrorism against Israel. Includ…

It also skipped most of a century of historical context, pretending the conflict started two months ago out of nowhere. The specific origins of hamas are certainly relevant but so is the nakba, the 2018 border protests, the apartheid structure of israeli governance of palestine. etc.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by nostromo »

m_a_g wrote: post #74

Bit of a tangent, but I'm proud of the HN community. This post was flagged almost immediately, even though there were around 70 upvotes. Then, the admins decided to give us a chance. And so far, the discussions have been civil and very interesting.

Don't forget that you can "vouch" for an article or comment that you think was unfairly flagged. From the FAQ:

> If you see a [dead] post that shouldn't be dead, you can vouch for it. Click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click 'vouch' at the top. When enough users do this, the post is restored. There's a small karma threshold before vouch links appear.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by rcpt »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #45
master_crab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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The pro Israel side calls for the destruction of Palestine and genocide of it's people regularly.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1711865833121521939

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