He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

Post by rmbyrro » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 11:16 AM UTC

rightbyte wrote: post #86

bradley13 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

Post by lynx23 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 11:20 AM UTC

bambax wrote: post #85

PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

Post by dustingetz » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 11:21 AM UTC

bambax wrote: post #85

PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

Post by sgjohnson » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 11:21 AM UTC

ako wrote: post #80

sgjohnson wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this needs to come through politics and government. There's nothing western politicians can do to fix working conditions in China. Embargo them? The working conditions in China won't get any better, and you'll simply put a lot of Chinese out of work by doing that. Higher tariffs? That's just a tax on importing goods for China. While it helps the domestic manufacturing sector, it still does nothing to fix the workin…

Rules on products sold in the west. Most manufacturing companies already need to trace the origin of their components, so you could specify what products are and aren't allowed to be sold in the west.

Post by saiya-jin » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 11:23 AM UTC

bradley13 wrote: post #75

submeta wrote: post #62

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…