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Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by delfinom »

sznio wrote: post #11
viraptor wrote: post #4

There's something weirdly universal about pierogi ruskie. I've not met anyone not liking them. Actually everyone I introduced to them loved the taste. (people usually try to look up polish delis / kitchens in the area that sell them afterwards) Given the simplicity of the ingredients, that's really impressive.

polish person here, i don't like them sauerkraut+mushrooms pierogi are the best

Yep, sauerkraut + mushrooms are the most "traditional" and flavorful.

In the US, cheese and potato is pushed instead because it's cheap as fuck to produce. Basically they end up in supermarket shelves next to all the prepared foods that are 99% cheese and 1% meat at best.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by delfinom »

kgabis wrote: post #40
walthamstow wrote: post #17

My wife's mother makes excellent pierogi. The potato ones are nice but the sauerkraut and mushroom are my favourite. A nice dollop of Heinz ketchup on the side. Delicious.

Ok, I need to double check, but I'm pretty sure using ketchup anywhere near pierogi is illegal.

Yea the only "condiment" for pierogi should be fried up onions drizzled on top.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by mock-possum »

delfinom wrote: post #99
sprior wrote: post #90

The big controversy in my house is that my Polish grandmother made pierogi with rolled edges and we ate them fried (the edges were my favorite part), but when I married a Polish woman who went to cooking school in Poland she insists that she's never heard of doing it that way and she does it the correct way. She'll now make a few with rolled edges for me, but most without.

Well, as someone who is Polish, there is a headache even I've had to deal with. There are people in Poland who have only lived in the cities and are oblivious to the regional and even rural takes on food. Especially because there's areas that straddle between Polish/Germany, Polish/Belarussian, Polish/Ukranian and so on historical influences And by headaches I mean I would bring some polish dish to a company potluck,…

Gatekeeping cuisine is utterly tedious

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by grozmovoi »

jedrek wrote: post #39

I left Poland in 1983 and came back in 1992. Before we left, I had never had pierogi ruskie . If we had pierogi, they'd either be with fruit (strawberries or wild blueberries), sauerkraut and mushrooms or ground pork. That was pretty much it. We came back and ruskie were everywhere -- and rightly so.

I'm born and raised in Poland until I was 22, and I visit often. Now living abroad.

Pierogi Ruskie is my #1 food when going back. That cheese filling with onion + a good dollop of sour cream. They are the best pierogi for me.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by grozmovoi »

mikrl wrote: post #100
Tade0 wrote: post #3

There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

>The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance I’m not a native speaker, but I always heard that the Greek derived Rosyjski/Rosjanin/Rosjanka were for Russians (ie the ethnic majority in the Russian Federation) but Ruskie was still reserved for the Rus’ in general. I’ve had native speaking members explain the distinction to me, that ruskie is more of a catch-all term…

"Ruskie" vs "Rosyjskie" is a difference between common speech and more proper grammar, but in regular usage of the language they both mean the adjective "Russian". I'm native.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by badpun »

ajuc wrote: post #82
jedrek wrote: post #39

I left Poland in 1983 and came back in 1992. Before we left, I had never had pierogi ruskie . If we had pierogi, they'd either be with fruit (strawberries or wild blueberries), sauerkraut and mushrooms or ground pork. That was pretty much it. We came back and ruskie were everywhere -- and rightly so.

This depends entirely on family traditions. My mother is from near the eastern border of Poland (Włodawa), my father from around Lublin, my wife from central Poland (Kutno). Each family makes different versions of pierogi, even ruskie are different between the families. I (predictably) prefer the version that my mother makes, which has extra thin dough and slightly higher cheese to potato ratio, but all of them are g…

There's been an increase in some nasty parasite (can't remember which at the moment) among Poland's wild fox population. Foxes poop at wild blueberry bushes in the forests, and the parasites eggs get on the blueberries.

A parasite specialist quoted in the paper said that these eggs are so resilient they can survive boiling water or being baked in an owen. The parasite itself is a nasty one (e.g. will eat out your eye from inside if it lodges there). This convinced me to drop wild blueberry dishes I didn't prepare myself.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by badpun »

varispeed wrote: post #18
Tade0 wrote: post #3

There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

My friend told me "ruskie" is used as a somewhat pejorative description of a "Russian". Like Brits say "Yanks" about the Americans. The other issue is that people don't know how to translate "ruski" to English, so they would say "Russian dumplings", but in reality they should be called "Ruthenian dumplings" from Ruthenian Voivodeship. They probably seen tourists turn their nose on "Russian dumplings", so they renamed…

> My friend told me "ruskie" is used as a somewhat pejorative description of a "Russian". Like Brits say "Yanks" about the Americans.

There was a joke which used that, during the Communist Poland era (where country was thoroughly dominated by it's USSR neighbor and supposed friend, as per the official propaganda):

"

(in a bar)

- Who ordered russkie?

- No one. They came on their own.

"

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by badpun »

delfinom wrote: post #102
kgabis wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I need to double check, but I'm pretty sure using ketchup anywhere near pierogi is illegal.

Yea the only "condiment" for pierogi should be fried up onions drizzled on top.

Fried bacon (diced) is also extremely popular in Poland, basically as popular as fried onion.
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