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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#101

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>voluntary empire lmao ycomb.

I mean relative to other empires in history. Maybe the Persian one comes close, maybe. I don’t like living in a client state but I’m under no illusions things would be better under the British or Spanish

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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#102

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But private companies do not have the legal option to invade your home or use physical force on you.

You just made me wonder if those smart TVs have the ability to packet sniff what’s going on on the Wi-Fi networks in the homes in which they’re installed.

from wikipedia

"HDMI Ethernet and Audio Return Channel Introduced in HDMI 1.4, HDMI Ethernet and Audio Return Channel (HEAC) adds a high-speed bidirectional data communication link (HEC) and the ability to send audio data upstream to the source device (ARC). HEAC utilizes two lines from the connector: the previously unused Reserved pin (called HEAC+) and the Hot Plug Detect pin (called HEAC−).[51]: §HEAC-2.1 If only ARC transmission is required, a single mode signal using the HEAC+ line can be used, otherwise, HEC is transmitted as a differential signal over the pair of lines, and ARC as a common mode component of the pair."

HDMI Ethernet Channel (HEC)

HDMI Ethernet Channel technology consolidates video, audio, and data streams into a single HDMI cable, and the HEC feature enables IP-based applications over HDMI and provides a bidirectional Ethernet communication at 100 Mbit/s.[43] The physical layer of the Ethernet implementation uses a hybrid to simultaneously send and receive attenuated 100BASE-TX-type signals through a single twisted pair."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

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This gives me the impression that packet sniffs, and many other operations have been in play since HDMI 1.4,

possibly a subscription based desktop as a service, or game console as a service, could distribute this way, and leech off local LAN gateway, for heavy loads.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

> Not that it makes much of a difference for me, since I'm not an US citizen The NSA exists to spy on non-citizens, so it affects you more.

I'm not sure that's the case. The first line of the article reads: Is the NSA buying up Americans' location and browsing data?

That's what's blocking instatement of a new director, so no, it won't have any effect on the data collected on foreigners.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#104
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Intelligence agencies' very role is to break laws.

That's not true at all. Intelligence agencies can't just do whatever they want. They are beholden to the people just like every other government agency. They can be granted power to do things that ordinary people can't, but that doesn't mean they are above the law.

I think the parent is referring to foreign law. Which all intelligence services break as a part of their purpose, to spy.

Although that statement is just an oversimplification of the situation. The government should follow domestic law even if it breaks foreign law by design.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#105

So it's like a canary: the senator has the answer but wants to make it public. If the answer was "no" then he wouldn't be pushing for it, so the answer is obviously yes, they are buying data of american citizens in bulk, warrantlessly

Even if that's true, the mitigation is not to sell it.

Even better, forbid its collection.

This is all theater. The answers are obvious and easy to legislate. Simply forbid the practice of collecting the data in the first place. But they won't. The fact is they want these companies to collect and aggregate our data. But recently privacy advocates have been asking for a ban on that practice. So the corrupt politicians are trying to distract the general populace with privacy theater in a desperate and pathetic attempt to alter the public gaze.

Enter this "no-action" on the NSA.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#106

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> Not that it makes much of a difference for me, since I'm not an US citizen The NSA exists to spy on non-citizens, so it affects you more.

I'm not sure that's the case. The first line of the article reads: Is the NSA buying up Americans' location and browsing data? That's what's blocking instatement of a new director, so no, it won't have any effect on the data collected on foreigners.

Americans are Constitutionally guaranteed a right to privacy in the home, among other rights, and that's what the NSA is hung up on.

The NSA spying on foreigners, who enjoy no protections from the Constitution, is part of its intended agenda.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #67

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Idk. I like having property rights and so naturally that will extend to others and their homes and businesses else they won’t respect my property rights. Leveling such a broad criticism against “big tech companies” isn’t helpful, especially when you personally (along with every American) is categorically guilty of the same.

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Didn’t you get to live there? Thats what you paid for I presume?

I’ve spent a lot of money at fast food over the years, but no one has given me a franchise.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#108
post #37

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> But that would mean going against companies and we can't have that now, can we? Exactly. Surveillance capitalism is orders of magnitude more invasive than the NSA and does not answer to anyone. Regulations don’t even really work because they can just offshore anything shady or do it through fly by night data brokers.

But private companies do not have the legal option to invade your home or use physical force on you.

Unless so empowered by the state.

Most of them don't want to, and let the police and the bailiffs do that kind of thing for them in the relatively rare cases it matters, just like any other form of contracting or outsourcing.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk. I like having property rights and so naturally that will extend to others and their homes and businesses else they won’t respect my property rights. Leveling such a broad criticism against “big tech companies” isn’t helpful, especially when you personally (along with every American) is categorically guilty of the same.

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You are (or were) renting your apartment, you never owned it. Those property rights are held by your landlord or otherwise whoever owns that apartment, you were just a tenant.

If you want to hold and exercise property rights, you need to own property. Renting a property does not mean you own it. It's as simple as that.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #85
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk. I like having property rights and so naturally that will extend to others and their homes and businesses else they won’t respect my property rights. Leveling such a broad criticism against “big tech companies” isn’t helpful, especially when you personally (along with every American) is categorically guilty of the same.

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If we had the kind of legal system you want (where arguments like the one you just gave sometimes prevailed in court) nothing would ever get done because arguments about who owns what and who owes who (and how much) would abound and go on forever.
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