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Don't think it is workable. Changing clocks is annoying, but probably a good idea when you live in high latitudes.
See my other post in this discussion. Higher latitudes are dominated by the tilt of the earth https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle DST only harms them by making the latest summer sunset around 10PM.
What's the harm in that? It still gets light in the morning at a reasonable hour.
This proposes that The Netherlands switch to WEST/UTC. There is already no clear consensus on whether to stay on permanent summertime (+2) vs wintertime (+1), and I would expect the switch to UTC to be even more challenging to adopt. Interestingly we switched from Amsterdam time (+0:20) to Berlin time (+1) during WW2, so going to +0 would mean a much earlier noon. Additionally policymakers have been saying to favour…
Unfortunately I've moved from the Netherlands to Germany and my family, a few longitudinal kilometers away, would have to do timezone gymnastics when we talk about any sort of plans, so needless to say, from my personal point of view I fully agree with you that NL and DE being in different timezones, instead of the sea being the timezone separator as it is today, is bonkers
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Well we can't, and that's having tried! The replies do a great job of illustrating why really: there's no consensus. Some want permanent standard time. Some want permanent DST. Some are fine the way it is. In a big country spanning a lot of latitude as well as longitude and tens of millions on wildly different work and sleep schedules, messy compromise making no one entirely happy is what success looks like. Basicall…
We legislate lots of things without consensus with 51-49 majorities. People in the past had a very different time environment. I used to have 1 watch. Now I have a dozen different clocks in my apartment. We also did not interact with other time zones nearly as much.
We really do not in the US when it's a matter of genuine controversy. Once in a long while something gets forced through if the status quo is just unsustainable or it's a core plank issue or something, but the system isn't designed to allow anyone hitting 51 to easily pass anything contentious. And that's with your implicit take that there is a 51-49, but that's the thing, it's not a dichotomy in the first place. It's more like 25/25/40/5/3/1/1. Plus this isn't some inherently critical issue, for most people it's at most a minor irritation twice per year. For some it's a minor enjoyable, "free sleep". And thus status quo rules :).
>People in the past had a very different time environment. I used to have 1 watch. Now I have a dozen different clocks in my apartment.
Indeed! Our clocks used to not have global sub-millisecond automatic time synchronization.
After placing all of Europe on permanent winter time, going by the image provided, this proposal seeks to split Ireland's time zone from the UK's and place it a further hour earlier, thereby ensuring that the sun will begin setting at 2:30PM, and it will be pitch black out at 3:30PM in the winter, all in the name of achieving "permanent time zones as close as possible to solar time (natural time) in Europe." Well don…
Studies show that you want those daylight hours to morning less depressions and sleeping problems.
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India manages to deal with a fractional offset from UTC, as well as several other countries. It’s really not that big a deal.
That makes me wonder of the little adaptions they need, that we Minute-Zero-ians ;) don't notice... do many Indian desktops have world clocks, for example?
(1) abolishing daylight savings time is great and should have been done years ago. (2) the proposed time zones are really impractical, not necessarily in principle, but in their specific implementation. Germany-Netherlands in different time zones is strange, Dublin and Belfast in different time zones is stupid, Athens and Crete in different time zones is absurd.
I agree. National borders is quite possibly one of the worst ways to do time zones. At least in the US time zone borders were specifically chosen to run through areas of low population, so you would minimize the number of people doing, say, living in France but working in Geneva one hour ahead. Also it's kind of odd that Ireland and Portugal are in their own little time zone, when it probably makes more sense to just…
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Nonsense. Ireland will never leave the EU. They more likely to accept a time zone difference than leave the EU. They wanted membership desperately in the early 60s but had to wait a decade partly because de Galle hated the Brits. They couldn’t join quick enough.
Are you aware of the accession path Ireland took and why it was linked to UK accession? Ireland has the highest level of pro-EU sentiment in the bloc and it is still more likely that we will leave than accept a timezone partition with the North. It's not in question. Failure to understand this is a complete failure to understand the country.
I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country.
It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language.
Edit: is the USA “partitioned” or any less united because of multiple timezones?
Probably, there is also some analysis paralysis: it is just hard to chose between keeping the winter or the summer time. Just look at this thread: morning birds cannot agree with night owls, someone leaving a bit to the west disagrees with those leaving in the east of the same country...
I wish we'd just settle on any choice. At this point I care much less about "winter vs summer time", more about abolishing DST itself. Twice a year I have a small jet lag for nothing.
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Well we can't, and that's having tried! The replies do a great job of illustrating why really: there's no consensus. Some want permanent standard time. Some want permanent DST. Some are fine the way it is. In a big country spanning a lot of latitude as well as longitude and tens of millions on wildly different work and sleep schedules, messy compromise making no one entirely happy is what success looks like. Basicall…
I don't really care any longer having a pretty flexible schedule and no commute. But living in relatively northern New England, the timezone tweaks for summer and winter really were pretty welcome. I suspect that most of those ranting about timezone changes wouldn't actually want sunrise at 4am or sunset at 3pm.
The main issue I see is that of kids' primary school schedules: they already have to get up so ridiculously early; having to be in school when the sun isn't even up yet is brutal. But that seems to be the case in some places regardless of whether or not we do a DST change.
And of course there are plenty of people who don't have my (our) flexible schedule and lack of commute. It does suck to have to drive to work in the morning when it's dark, or come home in the evening without any daylight left to enjoy. But, again, this is going to be the case for many people even with a DST change.