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Re: Cybertruck Launch

#101

Post by acdha »

jtriangle wrote: post #87
ramesh31 wrote: post #47

I understand the nostalgia for those rock solid steel bumpered behemoths people used to drive. Knocking your bumper on the curb and shelling out a few grand for some plastic sucks. But think just for a moment about how the physics of that equation work out. There's 3 tons of rolling steel coming to a stop, and something's gotta give. It's either the car, or you. Best of luck to anyone who drives ones of these. I'll b…

I'd guess that these are probably going to be one of the safest things to drive. It's bigger and heavier than most things on the road, which improves your odds if they do it right.

Safest for the driver, not the people they hit. Hopefully the insane repair costs for stainless steel will encourage at least some caution.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#102

Post by gpm »

Syonyk wrote: post #62
xp84 wrote: post #3

I'm rooting for it despite it being silly and not a practical pickup, strictly because every car people are buying looks identical (picture a crossover SUV from Toyota, Chevy, BMW etc. Basically shoe-shaped things). This looks like a concept car that would never come to market. I hope it sells really well and convinces others to bring actually-creative designs to market.

> ...because every car people are buying looks identical... Why wouldn't you expect this sort of convergence? A bunch of companies trying to solve the same problems with the same constraints are likely to find very similar solutions. We saw it with aviation - over time, jet aircraft look more and more like each other, because certain solutions, once they become available (twinjets demonstrating enough reliability for…

Because different people need different things from their vehicles, and as such the optimal shape should be different. Moreover because it's pretty clear from consumer preferences that vehicle-profiles are largely a fashion choice, and there still isn't much variation.

A vehicle that I'm much more excited about than cybertruck in terms of shape is aptera [1], with a drag co-efficient of 0.13 (model 3: 0.23, toyota corolla: 0.29). They're giving things up in exchange for this (most notably back seats), but if you don't need the things you're giving up it's a huge win.

[1] https://aptera.us/

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#103

Post by dgrin91 »

blackguardx wrote: post #92
dgrin91 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX was using stainless steel for Starship since at least 2019, so pretty sure you are demonstrably wrong here. Its fun to say space man bad, but don't equate complex production cycles to teams of competent engineers not knowing basics. Look at the differences between production & preproduction models and you'll see way less issues.

I’m sure folks knew it came in rolled form, but aren’t SpaceX and Tesla two separate companies?

Both run by Musk and they have a lot of folks who have swapped between the two. In general they have very close connections.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#104

Post by OfficialTurkey »

talldatethrow wrote: post #82
notatoad wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah! the approximately 8000 pedestrians killed by cars each year in the US should just be better at dodging them, like this guy is.

They really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not drank alcohol. Those 3 things account for something like 60% of motorcycle deaths. Edit: The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone…

This is factually correct (I ride a motorcycle and did a deep dive into the death statistics before getting my license) but your conclusion is tenuous at best.

Motorcyclists consciously take the elevated risk of engaging in a known-unsafe activity and absolutely should take reasonable precautions to keep themselves safe. Even so, it's still a tragedy when someone dies on a motorcycle. Pedestrians, on the other hand, want to walk around their neighborhoods and cities without being killed.

I don't quite know the right words to respond to, "just look at the death statistics and avoid being near cars as a pedestrian," but they're not kind.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#105

Post by mkii »

adamrezich wrote: post #99
jehb wrote: post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

how common do you think this perspective is? outside of places like this one, of course. as far as I can tell, the average person's perspective of the guy likely hasn't changed much in the past few years at all.

In a nation of embarrassed millionaires, I'm not surprised.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#106

Post by blitz_skull »

adamrezich wrote: post #99
jehb wrote: post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

how common do you think this perspective is? outside of places like this one, of course. as far as I can tell, the average person's perspective of the guy likely hasn't changed much in the past few years at all.

This. I don’t personally know a single person outside of professional relationships that has this strong of an opinion on him.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#107

Post by talldatethrow »

SantalBlush wrote: post #93
talldatethrow wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not drank alcohol. Those 3 things account for something like 60% of motorcycle deaths. Edit: The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone…

This factoid about motorcycles is a complete non sequitur. It's as if someone forgot what they were talking about in the middle of making their point.

The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#108

Post by me_me_me »

KaiserPro wrote: post #40
mike_d wrote: post #17

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> because every car people are buying looks identical It is almost like all other car makers know something Tesla does not. Maybe that big reflective flat surfaces are not safe for other drivers on sunny days.

or that flat surfaces aren't very strong, require more material to be rigid and generally have bad aerodynamics.

one very interesting take i hear is those 'armored plates' might become a death trap in a car crash. As hydraulic cutters might not be as effective on them in case firefighters need to cut people out of a vehicle.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#109

Post by qwertox »

mkii wrote: post #96
jehb wrote: post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

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How would exploitation be uncommon?

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#110

Post by jtriangle »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #74
jtriangle wrote: post #72

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My mazda has absolutely HUGE a-pillars, which are, in my opinion, a far larger threat to pedestrians, than having a simply larger vehicle. Like you can fit a family of 4 with a stroller in mine, I find myself leaning way forward to check that blind spot every time I turn right. And even that is second fiddle to people using their phones while driving, which is an absolute plague in general, not just for pedestrian sa…

Yet you still drive it

Well yeah, I still owe like 15k on it...
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