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Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by lysp »

busyant wrote: post #79
marcyb5st wrote: post #47

Would it be possible to get some probability of cheating per player based on how often they play the best moves according to engines in online and live matches?

> based on how often they play the best moves according to engines in online and live matches One thing that Magnus mentioned about a year ago (I think in relation to his oblique insinuation that Hans Niemann cheated) is that you don't have to cheat throughout the game. He posited that if he checked an engine only once per game (at some critical juncture), he would be unbeatable (by any other non-cheating super GM).…

> He posited that if he checked an engine only once per game (at some critical juncture), he would be unbeatable (by any other non-cheating super GM).

Not even to that extent.

They just need to be told which single move mid-game to think harder on, and they'll often find it.

So all they need is a metaphoric tap on the shoulder.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by alexeiz »

trollied wrote: post #3

Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

Live streaming doesn't automatically mean you can't cheat. There is a software that reads the chesscom/lichess board in real-time, calculates a bunch of lines using a chess engine and overlays the evaluation of the next best moves over the chesscom board. You can then choose the move that you feel most comfortable with. You never need to look away from the board or switch focus from the browser window. This software doesn't need to be always running. You can start it with a hotkey on demand. The state of the technology is such that you can easily cheat in bullet games while streaming at the same time.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by hilux »

Interesting.

He concludes that cheating in Titled Tuesday must be virtually non-existent.

Many elite GMs (even those more level-headed than Kramnik) would strongly disagree.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by TylerE »

drexlspivey wrote: post #59
jaxr wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that translates very linearly. Most of the chess YouTube "stars" are not even GMs. Most of the viewers are hardly good players, so what you can learn from an IM is astronomical. Charisma and good at teaching are much better skills than a 1000 ELO difference imo. To your point, beating Magnus might drag a lot of people to his stream.

That’s right, the most popular content creator on Youtube is an IM and the most popular game analysis channel is by an amateur

That’s nothing new. Many of the books supposedly by GMs are ghostwritten by non-titled players.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by hilux »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #84
trollied wrote: post #3

Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

> Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 He seems very amused by the accusation in that video. Regarding his video to me this sounds like if you were to ask Djokovic to play 46 tennis matches versus players ranked between 5 and 400 in the world, could he win 45 out of 46 matches and draw one game (not possible in tennis but hey)? I mean: Djokovic literall…

Unlike a chess game, a tennis match can't be lost with a single "blunder," unless it's a serious injury ... so I'm not sure it's a good analogy, mathematically speaking.

We should ask Marc Esserman.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by Santosh83 »

On a related note, isn't this one place where so-called Trusted execution and Web integrity would legitimately be of use? With a completely trusted path of execution coupled with browser integrity, a cheater would theoretically be forced to use an entirely separate device or source for moves, like a second screen, handheld, beads, whatever... which would need to be input moves in realtime and thus making it quite a bit harder and needed outside assistance.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by rplnt »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #84
trollied wrote: post #3

Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

> Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 He seems very amused by the accusation in that video. Regarding his video to me this sounds like if you were to ask Djokovic to play 46 tennis matches versus players ranked between 5 and 400 in the world, could he win 45 out of 46 matches and draw one game (not possible in tennis but hey)? I mean: Djokovic literall…

The chances Djokovic isn't cheating are very low though.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by rplnt »

trollied wrote: post #3

Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

That's at least one "at the end of the day" a minute.
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