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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I'm not OP, but the answer is obviously both. Multilingual helps brain develop in new ways, and better personal development helps all nations.

> Multilingual helps brain develop in new ways

I've never seen conclusive evidence to this.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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That there is no Académie anglaise is a fact which surprises and appalls the French.

The degree to which we do not care what the French think about our lack of an official body overseeing and dictating the language of English can not be accurately described in words. We would have to invent a new unit of measurement to measure it. :)

On Dave's scale, probably a "Shart" https://blogography.com/archives/2019/04/the-dave-scale-of-g...

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Whenever I see Europeans railing about the destruction of their cultures by small number of immigrants, I want to point to California and be like “you’re doing it wrong.” Pretty much within one generation, everyone here is bilingual, fully integrated, we all enjoy each others company, culture and food etc.

California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.

Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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The article doesn't hint at that at all so I don't think that is the reason.

What do you mean it "doesn't hint at that"? You're discussing the words that convey exactly that information? It's verbatim from the first paragraph in the article. > Nearly half of all Californians speak a language other than English at home, data from the U.S. Census Bureau shows.

Indeed they speak a language other than English at home, so not English. But people reply to my comment claiming this means that they also speak English at home. Where do people read that?

Edit: It's a bit ironic I get downvoted for mentioning the strange wording, but clearly we don't agree on what it's supposed to mean.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I grew up in one of these households. My grandmother didn’t speak English so my dad mandated Hindi be spoken in the household. I think it was a net positive in my life. I pick up phrases and sounds from new languages pretty easily. I didn’t do great in my English classes in HS but am a pretty good writer now. From an assimilation pov, I think it’s pretty important to grow up speaking whatever language you do alongsid…

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Everyone.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Whenever I see Europeans railing about the destruction of their cultures by small number of immigrants, I want to point to California and be like “you’re doing it wrong.” Pretty much within one generation, everyone here is bilingual, fully integrated, we all enjoy each others company, culture and food etc.

California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.

Believing demographics is a zero sum game is uhh.. well let’s not invoke ~Conways~ Godwin’s law. Why do you think it’s a zero sum game?

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I grew up in one of these households. My grandmother didn’t speak English so my dad mandated Hindi be spoken in the household. I think it was a net positive in my life. I pick up phrases and sounds from new languages pretty easily. I didn’t do great in my English classes in HS but am a pretty good writer now. From an assimilation pov, I think it’s pretty important to grow up speaking whatever language you do alongsid…

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in the most negative view, your nation having speakers of foreign languages is good for having a healthy population of potential spies that you can send out to foreign nations.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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The next town over from me have a large Vietnamese community, the older generation frequently only speak Vietnamese, relying on their children and grandchildren to help them navigate in society, doctors appointments, interacting with the government and all those things. I'm continuously surprised that someone would refuse to learn the language of a country they lived in for almost 50 years... Like WHY? Seems rather r…

> Like WHY? Did you grow up with formal education? Did you grow up in a place where girls were encouraged to learn? If either of these is true, your starting condition is miles ahead of the starting conditions for many, many immigrants who came to the US. It sounds simple, but in order to learn something, you have to first believe you “can.” Can in the sense that you have the ability and that you’re permitted to. My…

Those are some seemingly crazy reasons. I live around a lot of Guatemalans, none of them speak English. (I'm in the US.)I've been wondering why not just learn even a little? But also why go to another country and make no attempt to be part of it.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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post #69

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Correct. It’s the defacto. Indeed, there’s even no official version of English unlike, say, French and Dutch.

That there is no Académie anglaise is a fact which surprises and appalls the French.

Prescriptivism only gets you so far.
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