He'll probably go to X to work for Musk, Microsoft is too big and too controlling and will eventually go full Gavin Belson (from the Silicon Valley show) and want to put GPT in a box to do Windows telemetry or something similar, while Musk can pay Altman some ungodly amount to build something with at least a vision behind it.
OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
#102I mean, I don't see how anyone can expect him to come back after the public bridge burning and condemnation. I think it's reasonable to think that, if anyone were in his shoes, they, too, would feel too hurt/exasperated to go back to the people who caused all of... this to them.
Well he seems pretty sold on the AGI idea and starting from scratch at a new place without the same data or same compute is quite the challenge
Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
#103This suggests a plausible explanation that Altman was attempting to engineer the board’s expansion or replacement: After the events of the last 48 hours, could you blame him? In this scenario, it was a pure power struggle. The board believed they’d win by showing Altman the door, but it didn’t take long to demonstrate that their actual power to do so was limited to the de jure end of the spectrum.
Any talented engineer or scientist who actually wants to ship product AND make money would head over to Sam’s startup. Any investor who cares about making money would fund Sam’s startup as well.
The way the board pulled this off really gave them no good outcome. They stand to lose talent AND investors AND customers. Half the people I know who use GPT in their work are wondering if it will be even worth paying for if the model’s improvements stagnates with the departure of these key people.
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#104You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…
SV... Like high tech companies? Venture capital? The TV show? What do you mean by that?
Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hope Sam comes back Why? We would have more diversity in this space if he leaves, which would get us another AI startup with huge funding and know how from OpenAI, while OpenAI would become less Sam Altman like. I think him staying is bad for the field overall compared to OpenAI splitting in two.
My main concern is that a new Altman-led AI company would be less safety-focused than OpenAI. I think him returning to OpenAI would be better for AI safety, hard to say whether it would be better for AI progress though.
openai literally innovated all of this in their current conditions, so they are sufficient
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#106MSFT trying to work something out before market opens on Monday.
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#107New developments faster than you can read the stories about them... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/technology/ousted-openai-... (https://archive.vn/4U6tu)
Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
#108Now seems like the perfect time for him to go raise, bring over the team he wants, and retain ownership and control in a more effective way than a non-profit. Idk why he would go back without BOD capitulating a lot.
How much IP is captured at OpenAI though? Not to mention the hardware. I’m not super familiar with ML in practice but I have to imagine he would still be set back by a significant amount of time
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#109Given the new AI firm Sam is currently staffing up I think that openAI will fail at getting him back.
It would seem board might have felt they were backed into a corner.
Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO
#110Probably faced with more internal turmoil than expected and then realized their bluff had been called?
I was willing to believe Ilya had at least a decent reason to do something so drastic but who knows, this ain't looking good for him.