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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

waihtis wrote: post #25
lannisterstark wrote: post #19

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Doomerism when it comes to technology has always been such a weird mindset to me. "oh no, they're gonna take the horses/horse buggies/telegram/landlines away!" "Goddamn, how dare they invent the bigger cannons!?" - Romans, 1453, in Constantinople probably. (One incident where I can use my exempt powers).

its not even that, they have literally one argument and its nanobots

The more realistic argument is that AI will be used as a power amplifier by the already powerful.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by saberience »

schleck8 wrote: post #97
convexstrictly wrote: post #84

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"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to have liked their work at OpenAI

If they were popular at OpenAI, I would say they have a good chance of succeeding too. They could offer excellent equity packages to all the best engineers and researchers and due to the non-profit nature of OpenAI (and hence no equity), these people might be very tempted to leave.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by justinjlynn »

transportgo wrote: post #82
siva7 wrote: post #52

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They have the GPT tech, now they can poach the talent from openai without guilt

Why should they feel guilt for giving workers a chance to get paid what they really are worth?

Because capitalism is a bad thing for rich people when poor people also get to do it like they do.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by padolsey »

karmasimida wrote: post #64
siva7 wrote: post #36

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I am wondering the same. It’s a PR desaster to their dev community and i’m not even sure if Sutskever isn’t secretly happy about this.

I am at lost. Not fear, just lost. Don't know what to do. Is my investment into their API still worth it? It feels very unstable at this moment.

If you're just using their completions/chat API, you're gonna be ok. As an ultimate fallback you can spin up H100s in the cloud and run VLLM atop a high param open model like Llama 70B. Such models will catch up and their param counts will increase.. eventually. But initially expect gpt-3.5-esque performance. VLLM will give you an OpenAI-like REST API atop a range of models. Keep making things :))

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by resolutebat »

ZiiS wrote: post #91
9dev wrote: post #76

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I don’t know if people realise that there really isn’t any more prestigious place to work at right now than OpenAI. You don’t leave there for a better opportunity.

They can ask for huge salary bumps which may provide better opportunities for thier families.

OpenAI pay is competitive enough (remember the articles last week about $10M offers?) and there's still plenty of room for their stock to go up. IPO or full acquisition by MS would both translate to a huge payday.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Mentlo »

Racing0461 wrote: post #99
Mentlo wrote: post #66

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Chat gpt is not a good source of truth so can’t be used for information retrieval at scale. You might have a specific usage pattern that is very different to the majority of Google Search users so it works for you

the ad ridden shitware website filled with seo buzzwords with 100% opacity keywords also isn't a good source of truth. i'll take chatgpt over that.

Sure, use a different search engine then.

To each their own.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Racing0461 »

saberience wrote: post #96
namdnay wrote: post #68

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Why nepotism? The article you linked to has no mention of particular family ties that got them there? If anything it’s a remarkably meritocratic board, when compared with most other industries The fact that it’s all well connected wealthy people is kind of the point, the board is there (among others) to bring advice and experience

What credentials does Tasha McCauley have to be on the board of a company like OpenAI? I can think of 100s or perhaps 1000s of people more qualified to be there.

i think its more about nepotism being the child of someone important.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by karmasimida »

schleck8 wrote: post #97
convexstrictly wrote: post #84

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"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to have liked their work at OpenAI

Greg seems to be much loved by OpenAI employees, and generally inspiring person.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by jatins »

I_am_uncreative wrote: post #69
MattRix wrote: post #12

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Perhaps you could argue that he wants to stick with Sam and the others because if they start a company that competes with OpenAI, there’s a real chance they catch up and surpass OpenAI. If you really want to be a voice for safety, it’ll be most effective if you’re on the winning team.

I dunno, the moat Sam tried to build might make it hard to make a competitor.

We are about to find out if the moats are indeed that strong.

xAI recently showed that training a decent-ish model is now a multi-month effort. Granted GPT-4 is still farther along than others but curious how many months/resources does that add up when you have the team that built it in the first place

But also, starting another LLM company might be too obvious a thing to do. Maybe Sam has another trick up his sleeve? Though I suspect he is sticking with AI one way or the other

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